Potential wage cap being proposed?

[Pulcinella]

The sad thing about this thread is that Wednesday missed out on them when we got relegated from the Premier League.

 

Now the debate is coming full circle and looks like we might miss out on them when we eventually get promoted. Grrrrr.

 

It totally distorts the league though, so they need to be refined at the very least. I like CrooksOwl's proposal - you should be on the EFL committee mate.

[oldishowl]

According to a newspaper article I read Stoke and WBA both had wage bills of over 90m this season.

 

[mogbad]

1 hour ago, S36 OWL said:

 

It stinks, but the EFL haven't got the balls to stand up to the premier league and tell them failure payments will not be allowed in the championship. 

 

It certainly does stink but if the EFL said they aren't going to allow failure payments the Premier might say fair enough then there's no relegation from or promotion to the Premier. Unfortunately the Premier have the EFL by the short & curlies. 

[@owlstalk]

 

[swfc1983]

League one £2.5m 

League two £1.5m

 

championship still discussing....surely this only works if the top two divisions are applied as well otherwise it’ll just make the gap bigger and bigger?

[matt68owls]

surely if the salary cap is at £18 million, then ticket prices should be a lot cheaper and more money invested in the stadium?

[Guest]

How on earth can you introduce a salary cap in the championship with the parachute boys 

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

3 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

How on earth can you introduce a salary cap in the championship with the parachute boys 

Would have to be same way done it in league 1, if your relegated into division any current contracts to be deemed the average based on salary cap and then any new signings to be at capped level.

 

BUT promotion bonuses excluded so parachute clubs (and big clubs in league 1) can offer massive promotion bonuses

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

Would have to be same way done it in league 1, if your relegated into division any current contracts to be deemed the average based on salary cap and then any new signings to be at capped level.

 

BUT promotion bonuses excluded so parachute clubs (and big clubs in league 1) can offer massive promotion bonuses

Can’t see it happening

 

Another excuse for the PL to want a closed shop if the EFL bring that in to the champ 

[swfc1983]

If the championship settles on say £3.5m then with an average squad size of 23 the average wage is just shy of £3000 p/w. That’s gonna be quite a drop for some.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

Just now, Royal_D said:

Can’t see it happening

 

Another excuse for the PL to want a closed shop if the EFL bring that in to the champ 

Day it comes in is day countdown starts for premier League 2.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

1 minute ago, swfc1983 said:

If the championship settles on say £3.5m then with an average squad size of 23 the average wage is just shy of £3000 p/w. That’s gonna be quite a drop for some.

£3.5? Your kidding? They are looking at £18m

[swfc1983]

Just now, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

£3.5? Your kidding? They are looking at £18m

I was just using the scale the EFL have imposed on League 1 & 2. Understand the championship will jump quite a bit but £18m? Don’t see EFL been happy with that.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

3 minutes ago, swfc1983 said:

I was just using the scale the EFL have imposed on League 1 & 2. Understand the championship will jump quite a bit but £18m? Don’t see EFL been happy with that.

Got to remember income levels are much higher in championship.

 

It has been calculated based on average wages in division.

 

The championship will be min £18m  if brought in

Edited August 7, 2020 by wellbeaten-the-owl

[pazowl55]

5 minutes ago, swfc1983 said:

I was just using the scale the EFL have imposed on League 1 & 2. Understand the championship will jump quite a bit but £18m? Don’t see EFL been happy with that.

How are premier league clubs going to go from say 50m to 3.5m. 

 

No wage cap will be introduced in the championship the former premier league clubs will all make sure of that.

[Manwë]

The EFL is the dog that is being wagged by the EPL tail, and the EFL could do so much more to protect their position.  The problem is two-fold, one the EFL trying to protect itself as it's become a little brother to its own little brother, and two, EFL clubs (especially Championship) not wanting to risk their own access to the promised land.  Crumbs will suffice it seems.

 

But please remember, the reason for the creation of the EPL was so that fewer clubs would have TV money.  Wednesday are signatories to that newly created and selfish league, we wanted more money for ourselves and less money for 70 other clubs in the lower leagues.    It was our decision to go along with it, and we didn't do it for fairness, we did it for unfairness.

 

We, Sheffield Wednesday, were founders of this beast of football.  It was us who decided to sell our soul to Murdoch at the expense of the BBC and the general licence-fee paying public.  We had the fireworks, the cheerleaders and all the other dross that came with the new wealthy league.   How many people complaining about parachute payments are actively funding the payments right now through a £30-£80 a month subscription?   No irony of course, it's just the same selfish pattern.  The few who can afford should get the cream, and fizz the rest.  That applies to the Clubs and to people.   We were that Club, fizz the Grimsbys, the Barnsleys, the Wrexhams.  We want more.  

 

Should we get to the EPL, I guarantee you that hardly anyone on these pages will be complaining about the unfairness of the parachute payments, or the TV money.  No-one here really cares, I mean really, about the state of football.  They care about how the current state of football has ultimately poo out Wednesday down the toilet to be a non-event in the footballing world.  If we were Top 8 every year in the EPL, we would not be complaining about relegated teams getting poo loads of money.   

 

Either deal with this injustice, or challenge it.   Considering the EFL are attempting to deal (inadequately, and unequally) with a mess not of their own making, why not think a little outside the box and start the campaign against the EPL rules?   The reason of course, is that you want Wednesday to have that kind of money if we get promoted, so we can get the best players.  It's pure selfishness.

 

 

[briggowl]

21 minutes ago, swfc1983 said:

I was just using the scale the EFL have imposed on League 1 & 2. Understand the championship will jump quite a bit but £18m? Don’t see EFL been happy with that.

Did you read the initial post. They are talking about £18m

 

[WalthamOwl]

Probably already been answered but what happens if a club is already paying wages that are more than the salary cap? Do they have to get rid of the players on high wages etc? Easier said than done. 

[pazowl55]

10 minutes ago, Manwë said:

The EFL is the dog that is being wagged by the EPL tail, and the EFL could do so much more to protect their position.  The problem is two-fold, one the EFL trying to protect itself as it's become a little brother to its own little brother, and two, EFL clubs (especially Championship) not wanting to risk their own access to the promised land.  Crumbs will suffice it seems.

 

But please remember, the reason for the creation of the EPL was so that fewer clubs would have TV money.  Wednesday are signatories to that newly created and selfish league, we wanted more money for ourselves and less money for 70 other clubs in the lower leagues.    It was our decision to go along with it, and we didn't do it for fairness, we did it for unfairness.

 

We, Sheffield Wednesday, were founders of this beast of football.  It was us who decided to sell our soul to Murdoch at the expense of the BBC and the general licence-fee paying public.  We had the fireworks, the cheerleaders and all the other dross that came with the new wealthy league.   How many people complaining about parachute payments are actively funding the payments right now through a £30-£80 a month subscription?   No irony of course, it's just the same selfish pattern.  The few who can afford should get the cream, and fizz the rest.  That applies to the Clubs and to people.   We were that Club, fizz the Grimsbys, the Barnsleys, the Wrexhams.  We want more.  

 

Should we get to the EPL, I guarantee you that hardly anyone on these pages will be complaining about the unfairness of the parachute payments, or the TV money.  No-one here really cares, I mean really, about the state of football.  They care about how the current state of football has ultimately poo out Wednesday down the toilet to be a non-event in the footballing world.  If we were Top 8 every year in the EPL, we would not be complaining about relegated teams getting poo loads of money.   

 

Either deal with this injustice, or challenge it.   Considering the EFL are attempting to deal (inadequately, and unequally) with a mess not of their own making, why not think a little outside the box and start the campaign against the EPL rules?   The reason of course, is that you want Wednesday to have that kind of money if we get promoted, so we can get the best players.  It's pure selfishness.

 

 

That's the same in all walks of life though isnt it. People only really care about thing that effect them. 

 

If your neighbour built a 20 ft fence and blocked out the sun to your garden you would complain about it. But if you saw a 20 ft fence 10 miles down the road you wouldn't give it a second thought.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

8 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:

Probably already been answered but what happens if a club is already paying wages that are more than the salary cap? Do they have to get rid of the players on high wages etc? Easier said than done. 

Basically if a club gets relegated into league one then all the players that are in contact will be deemed to be at the average level for the cap.

 

So say it's 23 man squad then you could have 23 players  still on contract which are much higher than the cap but each would each be deemed to be on £152k per year for the calculation.

 

If one of those left then you could only replace with a player actually on that salary however.

 

Would have been a nightmare if we had gone down with half a squad to sign as each would have been restricted to that level.

 

From EFL statement:

 

"Moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire."

Edited August 7, 2020 by wellbeaten-the-owl