@owlstalk Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 1 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: The Failure figure for Norwich, Watford and Palace is £45M why thefuck would any club in the championship put temselves EVEN FURTHER behind them 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 So how does income from player sales relate to the cap? Clubs will presumably pay more in transfer fees/signing on fees to get a competitive edge on others. By deductions from the cap presumably they mean youth wages dont count and you can deduct cup/loan income off your wage bill to get under the cap. If there is a 5% buffer then why not just make it 18.9m and charge anyone who goes above that? If most clubs can pay 18m annually anyway (presumably many do already) then how does that tax benefit them other than giving them income they can’t use to do anything they would’ve done anyway? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post S36 OWL Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial fair play in the championship. 36 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial fair play in the championship. spot on 100% 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 As a matter of interest ,Some of you will know ,How many clubs not counting the relegated clubs ,Will have parachute payments ,Stoke and Huddersfield are two ,Could any of you post the others thanks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 A proposal that sounds good on the face of it, but is fraught with difficulties and wouldn't work. The EFL rule equivalent of trying to nosh yourself off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamakua Pueo Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) Will these rules be instantly enforced by not permitting registrations, or after the fact by 13 month secret hearings resulting in unexplained point deductions? I hope the former, because I am sick of the EFL model of slow water torture of the supporters, relegation and promotion being earned in the end by the quality of your QC first team. Edited August 6, 2020 by Hamakua Pueo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post S36 OWL Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 When will the thicko's at the EFL realise that relegated clubs starting every season with a £45m head start on everyone else is the reason why other clubs come up with crackpot schemes like selling their stadiums, sponsorship from Shell companies, paying wages they cannot afford and cripple themselves with debt. They do it to try and compete. The EFL make me sick. The couldn't run a p155 up in a brewery. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Seems redundant posting this having read replies so far but until parachute payments are stopped, or ffp is brought into line with them nothing will work. Level the playing field and let us compete. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: As a matter of interest ,Some of you will know ,How many clubs not counting the relegated clubs ,Will have parachute payments ,Stoke and Huddersfield are two ,Could any of you post the others thanks . Payments due in 2020-21 season Huddersfield £35M Cardiff £35M Stoke £15.5M Swansea £15.5M And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: Payments due in 2020-21 season Huddersfield £35M Cardiff £35M Stoke £15.5M Swansea £15.5M And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each. Sweet jesus. That's insane when you see it written down. 7 clubs receiving a head start. Add in the fact that at least the 3 who recieve theost are also allowed to lose more than us for at least 1 season and our punishment looks like a joke. It's not a level playing field and it needs to be sorted out. There are 17 teams in the league that could band together and put some pressure on. It's embarrassing that they aren't. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Is anybody still arguing that FFP isn't about keeping clubs from going into admin, but to keep the status quo of the Prem? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: Sweet jesus. That's insane when you see it written down. 7 clubs receiving a head start. Add in the fact that at least the 3 who recieve theost are also allowed to lose more than us for at least 1 season and our punishment looks like a joke. It's not a level playing field and it needs to be sorted out. There are 17 teams in the league that could band together and put some pressure on. It's embarrassing that they aren't. Yep.... and when you consider that Swansea and Stoke have had £78M each over the last 2 seasons It's so unbalanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Sounds sensible. Too many clubs are running up massive debts just to compete. On the relegated clubs exception - I don't mind a transition period of 2 or 3 years, as clubs would need a while to adjust to the new rules, but after that they would have no excuse. Players would start having massive relegation wage reduction clauses put in as standard and it would ultimately hasten the demise, or at least reduce, parachute payments. I'm not fully up on all the rules, but as far as parachute payments go - is there much the EFL can do about this... isn't it the Premier League that pay these out? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) So teams that know they are going down, will offer players out of contract new deals before they get relegated, to ensure the better players stay, if they want to drop to the championship. Poor premier league players or still generally better than a lot of championship players. (E.g. most of the Villa squad) Players potentially benefit, as usually they would get released and not they get a new contract after relegation, if they want to drop a League. The rest of the championship have to compete with even less resources; and will have to recruit lower quality players to meet the rules. Is this correct? Might as well stop relegation from the Premier League Edited August 6, 2020 by Rogers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 54 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial fair play in the championship. This... The proposal allows for any former Premier League club that is still receiving parachute payments (which could be up to 9 clubs a season) to cost the salary of any player who signed when in the PL at £720K (£13.85K p.w.), no matter what their actual salary is. While every other team's total salary outlay is capped at £18M, the ex PL teams wage bill could be double that and easily paid for by parachute payments. I thought the EFL wanted to make things fairer, instead it would make it even more weighted in favour of the relegated PL teams. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: Payments due in 2020-21 season Huddersfield £35M Cardiff £35M Stoke £15.5M Swansea £15.5M And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each. Wouldn't be surprised if all three clubs that go up will be any three out of those several teams. Could see Brentford giving it a go again but apart from them it seems inevitable, that two or three of the parachute payment clubs will go back up again. Whilst the non parachute payment clubs all struggle to remain within tight FFP/P&S limits without failure payments. It's looking more likely that other clubs will face points deductions before or during next season, along with us. Even one or two of those clubs you listed with parachute payments are facing the possibility of a points deduction or transfer embargo too. One of whom I have heard rumours about possibly facing an impending transfer embargo. What hope do the non parachute payment clubs and lower League clubs have of staying within unfair limits and being competitive, when clubs with failure rewards and even some top flight clubs are feeling the pinch? Football is broke and as fizzed itself and it only as itself to blame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djorkaeff Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: this looks very detailed- it must be a very serious proposal. So if you’re relegated with 25 players - that’s your 18m. If you sell players even if they’re on 5m per year, you’re freeing up 780k of wages per player. that should encourage teams to put relegation reduction clauses in. interesting what it would do to transfer fees...?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djorkaeff Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, EXCALIBUR said: Whats really fk ing me off is arsenal about to make 55 staff redundant, yet wanting to pay millions in wages for willian from Chelsea Fair fk ing play. Yeah right no doubt their players will be political posturing though. ridiculous, I bet their boot image rights would keep the staff in jobs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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