Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 First of all let me say that I'm unclear as to the punishment that may or may not be doled out in relation to the club's alleged financial indiscretions. With this in mind, if the club are deemed to have transgressed, when would any points deductions take place? I'd heard that if a deduction either secured relegation or prevented a playoff place they would be imposed. If we fell between these two stools the penalty may be held over until the following season? Just want to clarify if this is the case or not. If so the best we can do is qualify for top six and accept we will take no part in playoffs. Worst case would be finishing low half of table with the deduction resulting in relegation. Anything outside these two scenarios would mean the penalty would rollover. Is this right? Doesn't seem fair that the EFL can hedge its bets in this way. If its right the performances on the pitch are pretty much an irrelevance this season and it's all about restructuring the team for when we are clear of these issues. Sorry for long post. Got a bit carried away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, A12owl said: It's a usual lose lose situation for us. But is my summary right? Can anyone confirm or are the EFL just free to do whatever the fizz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Kidneys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 If guilty it must be a swift process and take any hit this season. I don't think we are good enough anyway and it'll give us a chance to unload next summer to regroup and have a clear run at next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechy85 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I very much doubt that they are allowed to withhold a points deduction if it doesn’t cost a club a play off place or relegation I think Birmingham’s deduction last season was confirmed after the season had finished so I wouldn’t worry too much about that scenario playing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, erowl said: If guilty it must be a swift process and take any hit this season. I don't think we are good enough anyway and it'll give us a chance to unload next summer to regroup and have a clear run at next season That's what I'm getting at. If any sanctions must be applied this season then at least we know what we're dealing with. Not getting relegated would be a reasonable outcome. We can start the rebuild in the meantime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: That's what I'm getting at. If any sanctions must be applied this season then at least we know what we're dealing with. Not getting relegated would be a reasonable outcome. We can start the rebuild in the meantime. Can we, or do we have to wait until everything is dealt with. The January transfer window isn't looking like that sparkling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Surely with the amount of points we chuck away weekly, there is no need for a deduction ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 We invest heavily in January. Get promoted. It all goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Surely with the amount of points we chuck away weekly, there is no need for a deduction ? 1 minute ago, bobness said: We invest heavily in January. Get promoted. It all goes away. Not helping FFS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) I propose that if the offence occurred last season then in fairness it should be backdated........12pt deduction, let the record show we finished 17th last season!!! Seems fair and reasonable Edited November 28, 2019 by Morepork 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Morepork said: I propose that if the offence occurred last season then in fairness it should be backdated........12pt deduction, let the record show we finished 17th last season!!! Seems fair and reasonable Honestly. You lot do my bulb in It's like the comedians in here. For all of you under 40 here's a taste... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) The efl state; any rule breakers ...we will strive to deal with in the season they occured...so it looks like they will deduct 12 points from last season Oops too late Edited November 28, 2019 by sherlyegg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: Honestly. You lot do my bulb in It's like the comedians in here. For all of you under 40 here's a taste... Talking of classic comedians. When the late great Dave Allen passed away (RIP), for about 5 minutes Owlstalk went into excited meltdown. Harsh but true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: Honestly. You lot do my bulb in It's like the comedians in here. For all of you under 40 here's a taste... Mate, it times of trouble it's a case of resorting to humour to get through, alternately we could take the official club stance which is...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: Surely with the amount of points we chuck away weekly, there is no need for a deduction ? We have decided on a self imposed points deduction. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, A12owl said: I don't know if you are right. Probably as EFL do what they want when they want. They have nobody to answer to. The EFL is run by the clubs ultimately isn't it? Enough of the victim poo . If we've fooked up we take the punishment and crack on. I quite enjoy Div 3 every now and again. It's cleansing - like a dip in Windermere on New Year's Day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Morepork said: Mate, it times of trouble it's a case of resorting to humour to get through, alternately we could take the official club stance which is...... let's all back DC, he is doing a fantastic job, where would we be without him. Just added a little bit for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Haven't the foggiest to be fair. I'm more worried about the planet turning into a fiery ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 8 hours ago, rickygoo said: The EFL is run by the clubs ultimately isn't it? Enough of the victim poo . If we've fooked up we take the punishment and crack on. I quite enjoy Div 3 every now and again. It's cleansing - like a dip in Windermere on New Year's Day. Is it bollockz!!! Wycombe crewe and gillingham can do one!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The old ruling used to be that the points were deducted for the season after the offence, this was more in instances when clubs went into administration timed to have the least effect, whoever the governing body was at the time then ruled that they start the following season with minus points. The people that run football now seem to not work to any rules and are even above the law of the lad ffs. I honestly don’t think they’ll forcibly relegate us but I think they will prevent us going up (should we not do that ourselves), the bad thing is they have effectively killed this season off and it’s the people who have paid good money for ST’s etc that I feel most sorry for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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