So Jos has now nailed his colours to the mast.

[WhiteOwl91]

1 hour ago, Socialist_Owl said:

You have got to be kidding me.  

 

Read up on basic PR before you spit out your dummy.

So it’s spitting a dummy out because I posted an opinion on an online forum about a managers comments?

 

 

[vulva]

Not playing players for financial reasons was the only Get out of Jail card Jos had. That’s now gone. No way back for me now, and in football when managers go up against players, especially senior ones, there is only ever one winner. 

 

What’s even more staggering is DC allowing this to develop. If this was a football club I’d ploughed £60m into, I wouldn’t stand for it. 

[billyblack]

13 hours ago, upperwinngardensowl said:

I can take mid table.

I can take building for the future.

I can take the frustration of letting leads go.

I can almost take the random team selections from match to match.

 

 

what I can’t take is fans being expected to pay top dolllar for the privilege, and what I really, really, won’t take is us getting tonked by them next week.

 

 

Its just one game from 46. Lets look at the bigger picture. If we lose so what, nobody expects us to win it anyway. I woukd rather focus on getting the squad sorted out for next season and getting the youngsters some more experience.

[billyblack]

39 minutes ago, vulva said:

Not playing players for financial reasons was the only Get out of Jail card Jos had. That’s now gone. No way back for me now, and in football when managers go up against players, especially senior ones, there is only ever one winner. 

 

What’s even more staggering is DC allowing this to develop. If this was a football club I’d ploughed £60m into, I wouldn’t stand for it. 

Allowing what to develop? Its his fault in the first place. Splashing cash left right and centre with no idea. Jos is trying to help him pick up the pieces. Unreal

[billyblack]

9 hours ago, SiJ said:

Tbf Hutchinson played in three games at the start of the season and we looked crap defensively. 

 

My point stands, that if you want to develop consistency, clean sheets etc, then you have to eventually settle upon a side of some description. 

 

You can't just keep changing it from game to game. 

I wish he would play those two in a perverse way and we got hammered. Just to shut everyone up

[Lord Snooty]

52 minutes ago, vulva said:

Not playing players for financial reasons was the only Get out of Jail card Jos had. That’s now gone. No way back for me now, and in football when managers go up against players, especially senior ones, there is only ever one winner. 

 

What’s even more staggering is DC allowing this to develop. If this was a football club I’d ploughed £60m into, I wouldn’t stand for it. 

 

True. He's drawn attention onto himself now. The need for results is higher than ever for him now.

 

I think it's more staggering that DC was taken in by all those spiv advisors the other year and spaffed millions. 

 

I think he'll leave things be. If he doesn't stand for it now, and gets rid of the manager and the new one fails to get us any higher with this mid table squad, then the cross-hairs will switch back to him and he'll be the "interfering meglomaniac" again.

[Guest Kagoshimaowl]

His stubbornness will eventually cost him his job but will hopefully not result in relegation for us which is where we are heading at the moment 

[billyblack]

Just now, Kagoshimaowl said:

His stubbornness will eventually cost him his job but will hopefully not result in relegation for us which is where we are heading at the moment 

His stubborness may lead to a decent team next season. Conversely we could just get a manager who has no plans and just lets the fans pick the team each week. I mean, the fans are clearly more experienced in this area than our manager

[Lord Snooty]

1 minute ago, Kagoshimaowl said:

His stubbornness will eventually cost him his job but will hopefully not result in relegation for us which is where we are heading at the moment 

 

It costs all managers their job in the end.

 

3 defeats on the spin isn't good.

Couple of wins though and we're back up there.

 

Don't think anyone genuinly expected anything more than mid table really this season.

 

[NOT jack whitham]

15 hours ago, Belfast Owl 2 said:

 

Why mention how long you have supported us?

Doesn't make your point more valid

You on your period?

[FinnishOwl]

1 hour ago, vulva said:

Not playing players for financial reasons was the only Get out of Jail card Jos had. That’s now gone. No way back for me now, and in football when managers go up against players, especially senior ones, there is only ever one winner. 

 

What’s even more staggering is DC allowing this to develop. If this was a football club I’d ploughed £60m into, I wouldn’t stand for it. 

 

DC is from a culture where the hierarchy is still very important. The manager is above the players and if there is information that the lowest level (players) does not respect the higher level (coaching staff), DC may well approve any disciplinary action. Of course, provided that the coaching staff acts with proper respect.

[mcmigo]

11 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

We've unfortunately now entered that period all too familiar to countless football managers in the past in this modern era of self-obsessed hysteria. So many individuals have made their decision that it's time for another change and that is just about the end of it. Almost nothing will reverse this now. Even if we went on an unlikely run of victories, it would only be a temporary pause. Whilst things aren't going well, you can almost sense the panic from the mob: QUICK ! DO IT NOW ! I NEED MY FIX ! They are literally terrified that Luhukay gets through this period and their moment might be lost.

 

Every negative will be magnified beyond reason. Whatever Luhukay isn't doing, that is why he's failing (even if two weeks ago the exact opposite was being suggested by many). All his comments will be willfully manipulated to suit this purpose. Any extenuating circumstances will be ignored or rejected. Games that we haven't played yet have already been lost. Sometimes, these opinions will drift dangerously close to the line of fantasy or dishonesty.

 

Why the hell does Connor Kirby keep getting mentioned in the context of being preferred to more established options? The bloke has played in one league game for about 10 bloody minutes. What have David Jones, George Boyd and Almen Abdi done to suddenly become dependable and exceptional, especially when they have been routinely slaughtered here in the recent past? Why are some so confident about how good Keiren Westwood is these days (no arguing about his excellent first couple of season with us) when we haven't seen him in more than a year and he wasn't playing well then? The fact that a mere fortnight ago we were in the play-off positions and just six points behind the leaders with our mediocre squad is abruptly irrelevant because that doesn't fit the narrative of incompetence, cowardice, indecision and lies. 

 

 

This is the best sentence in this entire thread. But it is almost lost in this depressing blizzard of selective, self-righteous bleating. Probably a minimum of 80% of football interviews are nothing but platitudes and cliches. I suspect most people are perfectly well aware of this, but it appears they see this one as an opportunity to twist the knife so they'll interpret it accordingly. Oh well...

Rarely I agree with DJ Mortimer but this time I certainly do.

its like we are leaving messi and neymar in the reserves as per many of these nonsense posts.

Boyd FFS! He hasn’t had one good game for us and people are saying get him in the squad? jones has the pace and touch of a corpse and I wouldn’t pick him for the dog and duck reserves never mind the first team.

we spent so long saying we have an old ,slow squad. We went through months of not even creating a chance to score with these losers in the team. Now we have one sticky run after being 6th and everyone is dying to go back to the old people’s home, wipe the soup off the chin of these old crocks and give them a shirt

 

jos is 100 percent right to drop these players and get on with rebuilding the team.

[SiJ]

Tbf, I couldn't care less if Jones, Boyd and Abdi ever play again for us. Says something when Jones has been the best player out of that lot. 

 

I find the constant exclusion of Westwood and Hutchinson a tinsy bit mystifying, as I believe they could still offer something...albeit their form has been so-so for the last year. 

 

Truth be told, the two players we miss most are Hooper and Lee...but I doubt we will ever see these two play again. I'd also like to see Winnall included and the constant niggly injuries of Matias and Nando sure as hell isn't helping. 

 

However, as I stated a few pages back, my biggest issue with Jos is his constant changing of the side. In my view, it is undermining the work he is trying to do. 

[Sonny]

2 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Tbf, I couldn't care less if Jones, Boyd and Abdi ever play again for us. Says something when Jones has been the best player out of that lot. 

 

I find the constant exclusion of Westwood and Hutchinson a tinsy bit mystifying, as I believe they could still offer something...albeit their form has been so-so for the last year. 

 

Truth be told, the two players we miss most are Hooper and Lee...but I doubt we will ever see these two play again. I'd also like to see Winnall included and the constant niggly injuries of Matias and Nando sure as hell isn't helping. 

 

However, as I stated a few pages back, my biggest issue with Jos is his constant changing of the side. In my view, it is undermining the work he is trying to do. 

 

Worth remembering that the Westwood and Hutchinson situations are not quite the same (yet, at least). Was only six weeks ago that Hutchenson was pictured in Barcelona seeing a specialist because he was, once again, injured. So constant exclusion is pushing things a bit currently although it could develop that way for sure.

[Sonny]

And you’re right about FF and Matias. We’ve basically been shït since Marco Matias got injured.

 

There’s a sentence that’s hard to believe.

[SiJ]

Just now, Sonny said:

 

Worth remembering that the Westwood and Hutchinson situations are not quite the same (yet, at least). Was only six weeks ago that Hutchenson was pictured in Barcelona seeing a specialist because he was, once again, injured. So constant exclusion is pushing things a bit currently although it could develop that way for sure.

Fair point. 

 

Hutchinson...is he injured or is he fit? I've heard contradictory information on that one. 

 

Funnily enough, I saw him on the train (Manchester to Sheffield) before the game against West Brom a few weeks back. He got off at Dore. 

[full fathom five]

We will win today and keep a clean sheet, we always beat Norwich, that's football for you.

[Big Jack]

We need to move on and so do certain players. The players who took us close in 2 seasons are now past it or completely knackered.

 

The squad has badly needed overhauling. We are at the beginning of that process but if we are to be successful it has to be done.

 

[Belfast Owl 2]

1 hour ago, jack whitham said:

You on your period?

 

Nope

 

 

[splan80]

I think for me Jos and Carlos have polar end/opposite views. Both have merits and  I think really the key is, as always somewhere in the middle.

 

Carlos stuck by his better players regardless of form, fitness or injuries this alineating some of his back ups.

 

Jos is favouring fitness and energy, swapping and changing from game to game, over the value and ability of others, regardless of form, tactics or cohesion. Thus alienating and excluding some of his back ups.

 

Really we need the middle. Play your team to your strengths (in the main) which a side that best gives you the chance of winning. However, should players have injuries or be out of form, they should be dropped. If injured should have to play at least a couple of games to make sure an injury will not repeat and take advice from the doc and physio. If given the go ahead they can resume match duties and step in if form, Injury and fitness of someone in the squad is lost. 

 

That way you can use youngsters too.

 

The main issue I have is Jos is causing this unrest. If he didn't want to play certain players get them out of the door, this removing the issue completely. You don't and you are setting yourself up for a fall (rightly or wrongly) if things aren't going right. He's made is own pool of players smaller by choice, so the benefit of the doubt he had before from me is waining and waining fast.

 

Everyone should have a chance of making the squad for me. 

 

 

If you have youth players, get them on loan to league two, then league one etc, they dont automatically have to develop here, but can still be a key component in the future. Look for a side that plays your type of football. Yes playing them here gives hem direct exposure, but also puts a lot of pressure on them if things don't go well. They should be ones who are given 5 games and then rested for a couple (give them time to reflect and learn).

 

The reason I think most are anointed is our spine is week in fight, organisation and leadership and Westwood and hutch have those abilities. 

 

Dawson is a good keeper, as that save stats show, but what it doesn't tell you is how he's contributed to those shots coming in. He struggles under crosses and doesn't communicate and lead his defense (the fact the defense is not strong enough or have a midfield with enough qualities to help is another story) Westwood is good in both of those areas and it's arguably something the defense need right now. Is using him and acarificing Dawson's progression. Going to help thorniley, Penney and baker more?!?!.

 

For me either Dawson or wildsmith should be one loan somewhere for 6 months, then the other for the other 6 months if you arent going to sell Westwood. 

 

We are soft in the centre, with no organisation. Again 2 qualities hutch has. Is he needed to help get us back on an even keel? Arguably so.

 

Inconsistencies are part and parcel of you guys players, but having experienced pros on the bench to help is a debate you roads yourself when you have kids on the bench that you don't play (so changes if made are the same and do t actually change a game) so what experience are they actually getting?

 

Mix and match sure but for good sake adapt to what's needed during games and use your squad effectively to help you achieve that.

 

It's just the common theme that we are shooting ourselves in the foot again and again in this, transfer activity, youth development etc etc. Sometimes you have to start again, but you do that by selling and reinvesting, not casting aside and ostracizing. 

 

Then you reinvest money from a reach of FF sale etc. Hoarding and abandoning players is ridiculous unless you are a top club like chelsea etc who can afford to do so.  Don't get me wrong, all clubs make mistakes (look at Chelsea with DeBrune) but why hinder your own clubs ability???