steelowl Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, full fathom five said: But under CC we had players who were better on the ball and knew when to go short and when to go long. Westwood although his kicking wasn't the best is head and shoulders above Dawson, Hunt above Palmer, Loovens against Hector, Hutchinson against Pelupessy ect add to that players of the ilk of Kieran Lee, Wallace and Hooper it's not hard to see why we struggle to play this way now compared to then. good points well made fact is it has to stop If Jos cannot see this he will lose my support because it's playing with fire every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, steelowl said: good points well made fact is it has to stop If Jos cannot see this he will lose my support because it's playing with fire every game Couldn't agree more, we are so easy to play against and if we play like that against the pigs we will be on the end of a real massacre not a made up one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, CF83OWL said: 13 games in you'd think he would have sorted it You certainly would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, steelowl said: good points well made fact is it has to stop If Jos cannot see this he will lose my support because it's playing with fire every game It is..EVERY game....Its persisting with something that doesn't work, this allied to the fact that even the crowd get nervous, which is passed onto players who aren't capable of doing it, making them even more nervous and even less capable , resulting in that mess that was the winner. Those 2 crossfield passes to palmer...30 yds behind him!!..what the f.ook was that about.. It was as though they had been told.. "If you get it there... you MUST knock it over to the right back...whatever else is happening!"..Its robotic stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mrs Blenkinsops shed said: Oh you've met our lass Internet must be down in S73 Must be a bit "tied" up at present ... Muck phones working ok ...... Edited October 19, 2018 by OWLERTON GHOST 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 right I'm off to bed and sort this out in my dreams starting with a drop kick on joao and a slap for lees before we kick off gnight lads 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, steelowl said: right I'm off to bed and sort this out in my dreams starting with a drop kick on joao and a slap for lees before we kick off gnight lads Give Thornley a slap for letting the ball bounce unstead of dealing with it, criminal defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Tom lees is totally put of his depth playing like this, the system just does not suit him and its the same with a few of the others. You can see they are struggling with it we arent man city ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, graz gp said: Slack passing all over the field, the defence must be sorted because we are going nowhere. I thought boro were average and we could have won that game. We put ourselves under pressure by giving the ball away too often. Jos must look at himself and sort the tactics out. Because when we play the blunts they will put us under massive pressure. Boro were as poor as us in the first half. They made loads of unforced errors. If we'd pressed their back line we could have seen a different result. Instead we have João who can't be rsed to attack a ball there to win 3 yards from him. I'd be dropping him on that performance. He has no application or desire and that is what we need at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying V Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, steelowl said: It has to stop and stop now we've played with fire many times this season we just do not have the technical ability Bang on, we're not good enough to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 I hope last night was the final straw and we have a rethink about our ability to control and pass out of trouble against a team that chases them down. This is not a new complaint from me I used to have the Sh*ts every time loovens attempted to control it or pass it more than 5 yds now Lees has taken that place Palmer is no better and Dawson's distribution is at times suicidal. Our midfield needs to be more mobile and offer shorter pass alternatives Horses for courses Jos I'd like us to play the beautiful game from the back- we can't with this personnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 It's absolutely atrocious. Time and time we do it again. Awful to watch the defenders panic and dally about with it, not to mention the time it wastes as it goes back n forth to the flapping Dawson for the third or fourth time. it really is a huge basic flaw in the way we play and has to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 We are playing with 3 centre halves and the system needs your defenders to be comfortable on the ball and they aren’t. Lees and Thorniley are basic on the ball although on the main, they are good defenders. We need to play 4-3-3 for a number of reasons. * Our centre halves aren’t good enough on the ball. Tom Lees looks so uncomfortable taking the ball out of defence. That’s been evident all season. * Liam Palmer is not a wing back. He’s hopeless going forward. It’s like he has a nosebleed every time he goes over the half way line. * Whilst, we played a 3-5-2 to try and match them last night, we have been playing a variation of 3-4-3 and we need to get a 3rd player in midfield and I want that player to be Onomah. We need his legs and power in the midfield. Reach shouldn’t be in there, he needs to be playing wide attack. * We need to play with 3 up front with legs and creativity on the flanks to assist our central striker. This system suits us. Why we didn’t do this last night, I will never know. We tried to play Boro at their own game and that was never going to work playing against giants. We should’ve used width last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bouncing Owl said: We are playing with 3 centre halves and the system needs your defenders to be comfortable on the ball and they aren’t. Lees and Thorniley are basic on the ball although on the main, they are good defenders. We need to play 4-3-3 for a number of reasons. * Our centre halves aren’t good enough on the ball. Tom Lees looks so uncomfortable taking the ball out of defence. That’s been evident all season. * Liam Palmer is not a wing back. He’s hopeless going forward. It’s like he has a nosebleed every time he goes over the half way line. * Whilst, we played a 3-5-2 to try and match them last night, we have been playing a variation of 3-4-3 and we need to get a 3rd player in midfield and I want that player to be Onomah. We need his legs and power in the midfield. Reach shouldn’t be in there, he needs to be playing wide attack. * We need to play with 3 up front with legs and creativity on the flanks to assist our central striker. This system suits us. Why we didn’t do this last night, I will never know. We tried to play Boro at their own game and that was never going to work playing against giants. We should’ve used width last night. Agree that we should be playing 4-3-3, unfortunately at the moment we do not have the"legs and creativity on the flanks" to play this system to any level of success. Reach has the legs once he gets going but not sure about how creative he his. We have nobody presently to play wide and cause problems. What we generally lack in midfield and up front is pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 First rule of football, never pass across the back. Even 5-6 year olds are taught that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Slack work lad, slack work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Slack work lad, slack work love that film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, LittleG said: Agree that we should be playing 4-3-3, unfortunately at the moment we do not have the"legs and creativity on the flanks" to play this system to any level of success. Reach has the legs once he gets going but not sure about how creative he his. We have nobody presently to play wide and cause problems. What we generally lack in midfield and up front is pace. I think Reach is best suited in wide attack. He can use his legs in this position and get at the full back. He has more pace then you think! I’d have him and FF flanking a central striker. He has been playing well in this position lately then Jos puts him in central midfield. I like Reach but he isn’t physical enough to play in the middle, especially against a team like Boro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Mrs Blenkinsops shed said: Oh you've met our lass Internet must be down in S73 Didn't realise the tinternet had reached S73 . It was only last year they got inside bogs and electricity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Kidneys Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Ironman said: It's absolutely atrocious. Time and time we do it again. Awful to watch the defenders panic and dally about with it, not to mention the time it wastes as it goes back n forth to the flapping Dawson for the third or fourth time. it really is a huge basic flaw in the way we play and has to stop. Yeah and teams are aware of it now and just put the high press on us and they know the back line panic. Only Hector has any footballing skill in that back line. United play the high press and will be licking their lips at pressing us and waiting for the mistakes. This is the manager at fault and he needs to change it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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