Guest mkowl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matt_1 said: Care to explain the difference? Well cost reduction is what any sensible business would do if it is losing 20m a season and the funder does not want to subsidise that level. What a lot of us said at the time of Club 1867. There are 2 parts to the equation and maximising revenue is one but controlling your costs is the other. Asset stripping is a much more deliberate action to sell off or transfer out to a different legal structure your core assets e.g. the stadium or training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0rtherner Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I think it's all a secret plot of DC and KM and we'll soon revert to being a cricket club... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Do you honestly genuinely 100% believe that every single player listed as injured are actually injured then? No agenda - btw - just curious If they aren't I don't believe it's because of the club. Our best player refused to travel and play last season (was Norwich last season?). Not all players are honest, hardworking folk either. Why aren't we looking at and questioning any of the players? There may be instances of players feigning injury for their benefits but I don't for 1 second believe the club has imposed any kind of ban on any player or believe there are any mystery forces at work. Edited March 8, 2018 by Matt_1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Matt_1 said: To answer your question r.e Hirst though - the point is still valid. I agree with what Whitechapel is saying: We've known the situation with him for months. The only recent change has been with his training. The difference is that it was inferred he was training with the first team to perhaps hint or suggest that a possibility of first team action could arise. That there had been dialogue between the parties. The news today is to shut down that possibility directly from the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlstastic Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Sometimes, when I log on here I think I have joined an X-Files fan site by mistake. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 If we all ignore twitter then the world would be a happier place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The players would be missing out on appearance fees as well as clean sheet and goal bonuses (insert joke). I find it very difficult to believe they and their agent would accept that, as well as damaging their own reputation by being labelled injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Right now id rather have the committee of the Phoenix club in charge at Hillsbro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkstar Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I might be being a little over simplistic here but is it not just that we gambled quite heavily on reaching the Premier League (a move endorsed by quite a few on here), failed in that gamble, and now how to cut our cloth accordingly? It seems to me the situation we find ourselves in now is the natural outcome of the high risk strategy of the last 2.5 years. We had a crack at chucking money at it, that didn't work. Now we have to come at it from a new, more cost effective angle. Looks like we'll have to lower our sights for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, Dunkstar said: I might be being a little over simplistic here but is it not just that we gambled quite heavily on reaching the Premier League (a move endorsed by quite a few on here), failed in that gamble, and now how to cut our cloth accordingly? It seems to me the situation we find ourselves in now is the natural outcome of the high risk strategy of the last 2.5 years. We had a crack at chucking money at it, that didn't work. Now we have to come at it from a new, more cost effective angle. Looks like we'll have to lower our sights for a few years. Nailed it mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Dunkstar said: I might be being a little over simplistic here but is it not just that we gambled quite heavily on reaching the Premier League (a move endorsed by quite a few on here), failed in that gamble, and now how to cut our cloth accordingly? It seems to me the situation we find ourselves in now is the natural outcome of the high risk strategy of the last 2.5 years. We had a crack at chucking money at it, that didn't work. Now we have to come at it from a new, more cost effective angle. Looks like we'll have to lower our sights for a few years. Exactly. We were 90 minutes from pulling it off, but alas it wasn't to be. So, we get our stock together, consolidate and in a couple of seasons try again. See it as an investment cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hitcat said: Exactly. We were 90 minutes from pulling it off, but alas it wasn't to be. So, we get our stock together, consolidate and in a couple of seasons try again. See it as an investment cycle. But what happens to the ticket pricing during the 'lean years' between trying for promotion? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: But what happens to the ticket pricing during the 'lean years' between trying for promotion? Personally, I think the prices will come down. But to be honest I haven't a clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkstar Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: But what happens to the ticket pricing during the 'lean years' between trying for promotion? Interesting one that.... You'd like to think that the argument of if you want quality you have to pay for it woud work both ways resulting in cheaper prices but given the prices for the next five years are restricted by the multi year season ticket pricing that seems to be a forlorn hope. I think the best we can hope for is a price freeze on season tickets for the next couple of years and maybe a small reduction in match day pricing coupled with minimal use of the top tier of pricing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: But what happens to the ticket pricing during the 'lean years' between trying for promotion? Any profit turned over in the 'lean years' could easily go towards the next spend. Wolves turned over a profit 2 seasons in a row and then went and spent cash on quality players. I wouldn't mind imitating that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 49 minutes ago, Matt_1 said: Just 2 of the ridiculous rumours that are flying about at the minute. Do people genuinely believe them? Do you really think the players wouldn't have managed to leak this to the press to try and let the fans and other clubs know? Do you really think all these players want 'injury prone' in any contract discussions with other clubs in their future careers? We have had 1 fan meeting Hutch in a carpark and everyone has gone absolutely wild. Do you really think Jos would be sticking around? He's known for walking out of clubs when chairmen/the board get too involved. Seriously, we're in the poo but some of the stuff I am reading is absolute fairytale stuff. Sure there can be questions raised about how we have ended up in this FFP situation and how this season has gone but can we take a step back and take off our conspiracy theory goggles? Its pathetic mate dpnt know where all these stories come from i cant believe what rubbish comes out peoples mouth on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, mkowl said: There is a difference between asset stripping and a cost reduction programme in relation to KM. I didn't know we had any asset's worth stripping!. The ground is a wreck/Slum We don't have any players worth more than a couple of bob. What is there to strip?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Matt_1 said: Any profit turned over in the 'lean years' could easily go towards the next spend. Wolves turned over a profit 2 seasons in a row and then went and spent cash on quality players. I wouldn't mind imitating that. Just read that Wolves are £23m in debt and being investigated by the EFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, Matt_1 said: Just 2 of the ridiculous rumours that are flying about at the minute. Do people genuinely believe them? Do you really think the players wouldn't have managed to leak this to the press to try and let the fans and other clubs know? Do you really think all these players want 'injury prone' in any contract discussions with other clubs in their future careers? We have had 1 fan meeting Hutch in a carpark and everyone has gone absolutely wild. Do you really think Jos would be sticking around? He's known for walking out of clubs when chairmen/the board get too involved. Seriously, we're in the poo but some of the stuff I am reading is absolute fairytale stuff. Sure there can be questions raised about how we have ended up in this FFP situation and how this season has gone but can we take a step back and take off our conspiracy theory goggles? What corruption in football....who'd a thunk it.....fooookin idiots have been watching too many episodes of xfiles if tha asks me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, N0rtherner said: I think it's all a secret plot of DC and KM and we'll soon revert to being a cricket club... Formed on a Thursday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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