trueblue1987 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: How long have you had this "distrust" It's grown slowly over the last couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Looking at the amount of posts you've made you not told many of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: It's grown slowly over the last couple of seasons. Am intrigued fella,care to expand on the "why" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: I love all the comments about record amount being offered. We really know nothing, as with all of these Ask the Chairman parts, it's sound bites to keep people happy. We don't know what the academy pay is like. If other areas of the club are to go by, it will be what is most beneficial for Chansiris club and not both parties. Anybody can put spin on something. In real world terms; if I walked into a Ferrari dealership earlier and tried to buy one of their cars . My offer broke all my pricing structures for buying a car but they didn't accept it. Other companies would have jumped at the money. Would you berate Ferrari for not accepting my ten grand? We only know Chansiri's version of events. He's been clever with his wording. I don't trust him at all and probably never will. Our offer broke our current salary structure for the Development Squad on a level never previously matched. We have policies in place to ensure continuity throughout the squad and fairness to all players at pre-first team level. The reason we broke our structure was based on appreciation of the promising signs that George was showing and in recognition of his hard work and achievements for the Under-23s and England team at youth level. Our policy is based on basic salary but as with all development players is enhanced with bonuses subject to the player participating in first team matches. Irrespective of what the academy pay is like at SWFC, DC said the offer to GH broke that structure. Not sure what more you think he can say or offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Animis said: Our offer broke our current salary structure for the Development Squad on a level never previously matched. We have policies in place to ensure continuity throughout the squad and fairness to all players at pre-first team level. The reason we broke our structure was based on appreciation of the promising signs that George was showing and in recognition of his hard work and achievements for the Under-23s and England team at youth level. Our policy is based on basic salary but as with all development players is enhanced with bonuses subject to the player participating in first team matches. Irrespective of what the academy pay is like at SWFC, DC said the offer to GH broke that structure. Not sure what more you think he can say or offer. yeah but yeah but yeah but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: How long have you had this "distrust" ? More to the point trueblue1987, why don't you trust him ? Their is a difference in not trusting his written words and not trusting his decision making, which is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Animis said: Our offer broke our current salary structure for the Development Squad on a level never previously matched. We have policies in place to ensure continuity throughout the squad and fairness to all players at pre-first team level. The reason we broke our structure was based on appreciation of the promising signs that George was showing and in recognition of his hard work and achievements for the Under-23s and England team at youth level. Our policy is based on basic salary but as with all development players is enhanced with bonuses subject to the player participating in first team matches. Irrespective of what the academy pay is like at SWFC, DC said the offer to GH broke that structure. Not sure what more you think he can say or offer. I should imagine he has to tread very carefully or the apple cart will be well and truly overturned, big queue of young guns outside his door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said: Bang on mate, these people are just wanting to sell something we haven't had the chance to test drive yet, send him on his way and let them mug someone else off. I really wanted to witness that Roy of the Rovers moment where young Spud carried on where dad left off (on the pitch not in nightclubs ) But I'm inclined to agree with you Easty The club cannot bow to this situation They are cutting noses to spite faces but "thems the Breaks" I think we have bigger issues to sort than this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarn owl Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) Has anyone tracked the most posts on one thread in one day? I’m sensing a record. 39 pages, bravo Owlstalk. With a possible reply from the hirsts to come I am sensing 100 pages easily. Edited December 4, 2017 by tarn owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1987 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Am intrigued fella,care to expand on the "why" ? I feel like he's stripping what I consider to be my club away from me. New badge, no stripes, pricing fans out of the game. He clearly doesn't understand the area etc. Maybe I'm flouncing and making a drama out of it but it doesn't feel like my team as much as it used to. I now feel less excited about going than I used to. Yes we've made progress on the pitch but in doing so I think we've alienated fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: I feel like he's stripping what I consider to be my club away from me. New badge, no stripes, pricing fans out of the game. He clearly doesn't understand the area etc. Maybe I'm flouncing and making a drama out of it but it doesn't feel like my team as much as it used to. I now feel less excited about going than I used to. Yes we've made progress on the pitch but in doing so I think we've alienated fans. So you don't rate his decision making, that is not the same thing as saying you don't trust him. Doh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: I feel like he's stripping what I consider to be my club away from me. New badge, no stripes, pricing fans out of the game. He clearly doesn't understand the area etc. Maybe I'm flouncing and making a drama out of it but it doesn't feel like my team as much as it used to. I now feel less excited about going than I used to. Yes we've made progress on the pitch but in doing so I think we've alienated fans. Attendances are up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, OWLERTON GHOST said: I really wanted to witness that Roy of the Rovers moment where young Spud carried on where dad left off (on the pitch not in nightclubs ) But I'm inclined to agree with you Easty The club cannot bow to this situation They are cutting noses to spite faces but "thems the Breaks" I think we have bigger issues to sort than this ? Absolutely OG, I wanted him at Hillsborough for the rest of his career but when individuals take the urine out of the club then it's time to say bye bye. It's gone from his "dream come true" scenario to "oh, wait a minute, I'm a super star" As John Fitz said, ask not what we can do for you, but ask what you can do for us, but that's just me, the club always comes first, second, third and last, there's no place for anyone else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: I feel like he's stripping what I consider to be my club away from me. New badge, no stripes, pricing fans out of the game. He clearly doesn't understand the area etc. Maybe I'm flouncing and making a drama out of it but it doesn't feel like my team as much as it used to. I now feel less excited about going than I used to. Yes we've made progress on the pitch but in doing so I think we've alienated fans. I bet if you asked a high percentage of fans of premiership clubs they'd say exactly that. Its how the modern game is going better get used to it. Edited December 4, 2017 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo hippy Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) My take on it: Player (or advisors) hear they can make 10k a week with a prem team Club understandably wont match said deal Player maintains position Club try new tactic and stop player playing Player throws toys out of the pram You can't blame either party really. Sad state of affairs that could have been handled better on both sides and will leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth. George will still get his bag of gold though. Edited December 4, 2017 by neo hippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1987 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Animis said: Our offer broke our current salary structure for the Development Squad on a level never previously matched. We have policies in place to ensure continuity throughout the squad and fairness to all players at pre-first team level. The reason we broke our structure was based on appreciation of the promising signs that George was showing and in recognition of his hard work and achievements for the Under-23s and England team at youth level. Our policy is based on basic salary but as with all development players is enhanced with bonuses subject to the player participating in first team matches. Irrespective of what the academy pay is like at SWFC, DC said the offer to GH broke that structure. Not sure what more you think he can say or offer. Let's keep the numbers simple for ease. If swfc pay a maximum of £500 a week max to their academy players. Other clubs in the league pay £2000 a week to all academy players. George is offered a club record £600 a week. Just because we put 'club record' or ' breaking the pricing structure' doesn't mean it a competative offer. I don't know the facts but to just trust this statement is wrong. I saw a 'record breaking cake this September and it was pretty uninspiring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1987 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, darra said: I bet if you asked a high percentage of fans of premiership clubs they'd say exactly that. Its how the modern game is going better get used to it. Sadly, I think you're right. In my heart I just hoped we'd be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, trueblue1987 said: Sadly, I think you're right. In my heart I just hoped we'd be different. as a pundit said the other day football is no longer a sport it's a business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1987 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Whatahoot said: So you don't rate his decision making, that is not the same thing as saying you don't trust him. Doh ! The decisions we make are what generates trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, trueblue1987 said: The decisions we make are what generates trust. But if someones backs up those decisions with reasons and evidence for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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