Paolo Di Catio Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, torryowl said: if thats the case why did he agree to sign for 4 years on the wages that we offered him, his agent would know that in 1 ,2 ,3 years time he wouldnt be the top earner .if he put a rider in that he'd always be the top earner then fair enough but if he didnt then tough .....someone somewhere as got to say enoughs enough and keep players to the deals they agreed ,if he'd turned out to be crap would he say to the club look i'm rubbish cut my wages .i doubt it . Can't really put a rider on, What if he hadn't performed well? Would still get the highest wage whilst doing a Jonk. He's been outstanding for us and fully deserves to be the highest paid player at the club without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: ....rumours which stem from; Random twitter accounts A couple of owlstalkers with no credible ketchup. The daily star It's not reasonable to make accusations about FF or his agent purely on owlstalkers having their traditional meltdown. Who knows where these things come from, but you and I are both concerned enough to be still reading it 38 pages later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReluctantNicko Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 But keep giving in to wage demands and there is no way can keep to FFP rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said: PlayerPower True. But who really pays for it in the end? I think we all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, ReluctantNicko said: What I said yesterday......you pay Lees £25k a week to fend off interest from Burnley, Derby etc....the other good players find out about this, Forestieri thinks "I am the best player, not Tom Lees so I should be earning more than Lees". An unhappy bunny. Teams make a rod for their own back by paying some players more than others - not good for team spirit at all. A team like Burnley have great team spirit because they have a strict wage structure. Shackell wanted a pay rise so off to Derby he went. Makes you realise the benefit of a wage structure. But Burnley are a little different in that they managed to get their initial promotion on a low budget. Had they not been promoted, they would have lost all their players. The reason we are keeping ours is because we are paying thee big wages to tie them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Paolo Di Catio said: Can't really put a rider on, What if he hadn't performed well? Would still get the highest wage whilst doing a Jonk. He's been outstanding for us and fully deserves to be the highest paid player at the club without question. so what happens if we sign someone better on higher wages who turns out to be a dud would forestieri get another rise because he's still the best player ......sooner or later someone as got say no to the players . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, torryowl said: the power is with the club for the next 3 years if the they are strong enough to stand up to him ..... The power is only ever with the club if the player in question isn't coveted by other clubs An in-demand player holds all the aces - no matter how long the contract is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, ReluctantNicko said: What I said yesterday......you pay Lees £25k a week to fend off interest from Burnley, Derby etc....the other good players find out about this, Forestieri thinks "I am the best player, not Tom Lees so I should be earning more than Lees". An unhappy bunny. Teams make a rod for their own back by paying some players more than others - not good for team spirit at all. A team like Burnley have great team spirit because they have a strict wage structure. Shackell wanted a pay rise so off to Derby he went. We're used to meritocracy. Only really strong management would weld a group together. We've got a good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReluctantNicko Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Derby will be laughing if this is an attempt to unsettle one of their main rivals' best player....FF knows that the Rams pay huge wages by championship standards - players like Ince, Bradley Johnson, Bent and Weimann would not have dropped down a division otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Proper not enjoying this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I still think he'll stay, on better terms. We didn't win a match last season when he was absent, and I think we could kiss the top six goodbye without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, scram said: The power is only ever with the club if the player in question isn't coveted by other clubs An in-demand player holds all the aces - no matter how long the contract is why ?.....he cant walk away ....he cant refuse to play .....i'm sure he.ll get what he wants as the club will capitulate but how good would it be if the owner just said no and showed some balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I just compare it to use being linked with other teams best players, let's say ie Tom ince from Derby you can be linked but realisticly won't happen. All season were linked with top players from championship clubs but do we ever sign them? Just take it on the chin I really don't think FF will leave this season and as somebody else stated FF did state he wants to finish his career with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Chelsea and Man Utd had to capitulate to Terry and Rooney's wage demands. Even the biggest are held to ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, scram said: The power is only ever with the club if the player in question isn't coveted by other clubs An in-demand player holds all the aces - no matter how long the contract is I appreciate you have an insight in this. If we refuse to sell FF or give him a pay rise, is the worse case that he doesn't play for us? At least he's not helping Derby. Would he really not want to play for 3 years? McGugan, whilst not widely coveted, would have value to lesser clubs, but CC let's him rot (on good wages) because he wouldn't play number 10. Whilst not playing, the player isn't doing themselves any favours in building interest from other clubs towards the end of their contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Di Catio Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, torryowl said: so what happens if we sign someone better on higher wages who turns out to be a dud would forestieri get another rise because he's still the best player ......sooner or later someone as got say no to the players . The wage structure we're at now should be the ceiling until promotion. If they won't come for the money we're offering then we don't take em. FF is different gravy and IMO only right he's the highest paid. He's our Ronaldo to Portugal and Bale for Wales. Kepping FF is the key for us going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Just now, GoldGigsChris said: I appreciate you have an insight in this. If we refuse to sell FF or give him a pay rise, is the worse case that he doesn't play for us? At least he's not helping Derby. Would he really not want to play for 3 years? McGugan, whilst not widely coveted, would have value to lesser clubs, but CC let's him rot (on good wages) because he wouldn't play number 10. Whilst not playing, the player isn't doing themselves any favours in building interest from other clubs towards the end of their contracts. he can refuse to play ,if he does the club just keep suspending him and he doesnt get paid . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: Chelsea and Man Utd had to capitulate to Terry and Rooney's wage demands. Even the biggest are held to ransom. Is that because Rooney and Terry would only end up at competitor clubs either here or in Europe? Whereas, we could hold out for Fernando moving to a different league, and a non-opposing club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Paolo Di Catio said: The wage structure we're at now should be the ceiling until promotion. If they won't come for the money we're offering then we don't take em. FF is different gravy and IMO only right he's the highest paid. He's our Ronaldo to Portugal and Bale for Wales. Kepping FF is the key for us going up. but we can keep him ,he signed a piece of paper giving us that right .....and if the wage structure we have now is the ceiling until promotion then why break it by giving him a rise above it..... he gets us up we can double his money until then like you say we have reached our limit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, EXCALIBUR said: not if club dug heels in scram.player can moan all he likes but club hold his registration and if strong enough can say your going nowhere son. Technically that is correct On a practical level it doesn't work because it causes squad disharmony, costs the cub millions and often sees results suffer I can't think of one case where a coveted player was made to "rot in the reserves" until the end of his contract It might not be a great situation for a club when a player virtually downs tools - but they gain nothing by playing hardball - which is why they usually settle for the best they can get in that situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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