Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Only if actual box holders giving their accounts of what they've been offered to renew by the club counts as proof. FFS But they're probably liars whose bums are on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themaskedowl Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 All i am saying is it's the 21st century would it hurt to see some correspondence from the club, not saying anyone's lying just that they posted it on owlstalk so theirs a chance they are But there have been some who have posted that I have no reason to doubt. They are long term posters here and have not engaged in deceitful or rubbish posting in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 No Wednesday fan will miss the season we finally get it back. Imagine the regret if you did. I'd take it to my deathbed. Seen 'em do it twice before.....at a reasonable price.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 i saw the other day that Stone Roses spike Island tickets were 15 quid. Last time they played a couple of years ago they were about 60 pound.How does this translate in terms of football price increases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The issue isn't what's happening it's whether we like it. I don't avoid the obvious by saying blah blah to it. I just don't want to be in a position where I and many others who've supported Wednesday through thin and thinner are priced out in favour of people who couldn't really give a to55. Football was affordable in the 70s, 80s and 90s too but the Premier League changed things for the worse and I fear how much our prices are going to rise. Wednesday are a great traditional football club formed all those years ago to play sport not make money. I love the fact that the core support is Sheffield through and through. There are some from outside the city but most of those I guess will have links to the city via family and friends. I don't want a crowd full of tourists diluting what this club means - money or no money. I'm not a customer, if I was I'd have taken my business elsewhere years ago, I'm a Wednesdayite and a Sheffielder and they are the people I like watching my football with. I know that is likely to change especially if DC takes our club the way he wants to. It's his business but the traditions are ours and he probably doesn't give a fig about them. We'll see. you did use blah, blah, blah, (twice)... the club you speak of was once an amatuer side, but then things started to change... you state wednesday are a great traditional football club, traditional?, yes, we haven't won a serious division for nearly 100 years now... football has changed, and for the worse, but you and i, and those who think like us don't have the power to alter that... football IS a business, wednesday tried to buck that trend for a number of years and near went under, for a few with a supporter or supporters wealthy enough to buy their club, great they can chuck their fortune at it, it's their choice... but this guy hasn't come to do that, he's going to raise some of the capital needed to fund the push from gate receipts, and rightly so, the dividing line where, and how much? you are a customer, we all are (like it or not)... i've followed wednesday since the late 60's, i'm not from sheffield, never have been, non of my family were wednesday supporters before me, does that mean i shouldn't be watching wednesday? i think you're totally correct about him not giving a throw about out tradition, hard nosed businessmen don't in general... this is an investment opportunity for him, and would be bought and sold by milan as such, and touted to milan by lee as just that... we, will attend when we want, and can afford to do so, that's our involvement, we can boo, cheer, or sit quietly, that's the limit of our input... i spoke to a colleague who posts on here at the time of the sale breaking, he said, "he didn't really want us up in the premier with all that it brought, he was happy if we could effectively challenge, and maybe one day make it up there after building a side, not openly buying one"... i was somewhat shocked, this guy had said what i felt... i wanted, still do, us to be better next term than this one was, maybe make the play-off's... and improve season on season... giving me a good season for every decade of shyte i've suffered... then, us getting up into this promised land where bone idle (average ability) mega stars might put a shift in if were lucky for the millions they're paid (we've been there before)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 you did use blah, blah, blah, (twice)... the club you speak of was once an amatuer side, but then things started to change... you state wednesday are a great traditional football club, traditional?, yes, we haven't won a serious division for nearly 100 years now... football has changed, and for the worse, but you and i, and those who think like us don't have the power to alter that... football IS a business, wednesday tried to buck that trend for a number of years and near went under, for a few with a supporter or supporters wealthy enough to buy their club, great they can chuck their fortune at it, it's their choice... but this guy hasn't come to do that, he's going to raise some of the capital needed to fund the push from gate receipts, and rightly so, the dividing line where, and how much? you are a customer, we all are (like it or not)... i've followed wednesday since the late 60's, i'm not from sheffield, never have been, non of my family were wednesday supporters before me, does that mean i shouldn't be watching wednesday? i think you're totally correct about him not giving a throw about out tradition, hard nosed businessmen don't in general... this is an investment opportunity for him, and would be bought and sold by milan as such, and touted to milan by lee as just that... we, will attend when we want, and can afford to do so, that's our involvement, we can boo, cheer, or sit quietly, that's the limit of our input... i spoke to a colleague who posts on here at the time of the sale breaking, he said, "he didn't really want us up in the premier with all that it brought, he was happy if we could effectively challenge, and maybe one day make it up there after building a side, not openly buying one"... i was somewhat shocked, this guy had said what i felt... i wanted, still do, us to be better next term than this one was, maybe make the play-off's... and improve season on season... giving me a good season for every decade of shyte i've suffered... then, us getting up into this promised land where bone idle (average ability) mega stars might put a shift in if were lucky for the millions they're paid (we've been there before)... Thanks for the lecture pal. I am not a customer - whether you want to call me that or not. There has been a spell under Allen when I didn't go but that was a protest rather than apathy. I am aware of the fact I used blah but I wasn't ducking an issue by it. Like I said I'm aware what's happening but I don't have to like it. In fact I don't like it. I'll go while I can afford it - many have already been left behind - and then I'll see the glory hunters wallow in the situation that people like us allowed to happen because we supported Wednesday in the dark times on the 70s and the 21st Century. Well done you for picking a poo poo team as opposed to Man Utd/Liverpool etc - genuinely well done - but I do want Wednesday to be primarily a Sheffield team supported by Sheffielders otherwise we may as well move to a franchise system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eDDie Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 A franchise is still supported by the locality in which it is located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Maybe in whacking the prices up and only offering them to the current holders they're basically saying they don't want box holders. Prawn sandwich brigade out. Our prices have gone up to cover the effect of this peaceful revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thanks for the lecture pal. I am not a customer - whether you want to call me that or not. There has been a spell under Allen when I didn't go but that was a protest rather than apathy. I am aware of the fact I used blah but I wasn't ducking an issue by it. Like I said I'm aware what's happening but I don't have to like it. In fact I don't like it. I'll go while I can afford it - many have already been left behind - and then I'll see the glory hunters wallow in the situation that people like us allowed to happen because we supported Wednesday in the dark times on the 70s and the 21st Century. Well done you for picking a poo poo team as opposed to Man Utd/Liverpool etc - genuinely well done - but I do want Wednesday to be primarily a Sheffield team supported by Sheffielders otherwise we may as well move to a franchise system. i wasn't a lecture, they were facts... we'll either have to agree, or disagree on the majority of our post, however... i've never heard anything as daft as the part i've underlined... where would your borders/boundary's line up in relation to people being allowed to support wednesday? who is a sheffielder? is it a big S in your post code, or something far more insular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Maybe in whacking the prices up and only offering them to the current holders they're basically saying they don't want box holders. Prawn sandwich brigade out. Our prices have gone up to cover the effect of this peaceful revolution. personally i think in the case of boxes it's to see how many of the better one's can be offloaded at a better price, before the remaining one's will see a price drop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) i wasn't a lecture, they were facts... we'll either have to agree, or disagree on the majority of our post, however... i've never heard anything as daft as the part i've underlined... where would your borders/boundary's line up in relation to people being allowed to support wednesday? who is a sheffielder? is it a big S in your post code, or something far more insular? It's not a final solution style Aryan test I'm after. Anyone can support us but I happen to like the traditional pattern of supporting your local club. To me where a football club is based matters - and it's not just about the location of a ground it's about the people. It helps to give a club character and why I wouldn't swap us for Chelsea in a million years.That's why it was a scandal when Milton Keynes took over Wimbledon's place. I don't think people are lesser fans becasue they're not from Sheffield - in fact they're to be admired for travelling so far to follow poo poo for so long but having a majority of fans being Sheffielders is what makes us Sheffield Wednesday. Sorry if you think that's daft but hey insult away. Edited May 28, 2015 by rickygoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 i wasn't a lecture, they were facts... we'll either have to agree, or disagree on the majority of our post, however... i've never heard anything as daft as the part i've underlined... where would your borders/boundary's line up in relation to people being allowed to support wednesday? who is a sheffielder? is it a big S in your post code, or something far more insular? And in my day lectures were full of facts. They're not mutually exclusive- quite the oposite in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls24 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Never really saw the appeal of a box. Yeah you get a bar and a meal, but you could just as easily have a slap up meal and a few pints in the pub beforehand, and for much cheaper. The only other benefit I see is being able to close the door on a frenzy Tuesday night! The only people I can see them being good for is business men who want to use them to entertain business associates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's not a final solution style Aryan test I'm after. Anyone can support us but I happen to like the traditional pattern of supporting your local club. To me where a football club is based matters - and it's not just about the location of a ground it's about the people. It helps to give a club character and why I wouldn't swap us for Chelsea in a million years.That's why it was a scandal when Milton Keynes took over Wimbledon's place. I don't think people are lesser fans becasue they're not from Sheffield - in fact they're to be admired for travelling so far to follow poo poo for so long but having a majority of fans being Sheffielders is what makes us Sheffield Wednesday. Sorry if you think that's daft but hey insult away. i haven't insulted you... but it's been difficult not to, you've given me so much help... your argument has been so insular... have you any idea how many wednesday fans DON'T live in sheffield? there's a significant number... the club belongs to the owner, and he will welcome anyone who wants to go and can afford it, and you'll find your kop ticket will be more next season, so the club might just be wanting more travelling fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The only people I can see them being good for is business men who want to use them to entertain business associates Wow I wonder whether anybody else has ever had this thought...a high flying career in marketing surely awaits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 i haven't insulted you... but it's been difficult not to, you've given me so much help... your argument has been so insular... have you any idea how many wednesday fans DON'T live in sheffield? there's a significant number... the club belongs to the owner, and he will welcome anyone who wants to go and can afford it, and you'll find your kop ticket will be more next season, so the club might just be wanting more travelling fans... "i've never heard anything as daft as the part i've underlined..." is pretty insulting. It's not insular to want to maintain the character of the club. I'm not saying you can't support Wednesday if you don't come from Sheffield. I'm saying I want the club to retain Sheffielders as the core/majority support - that Sheffield Wednesday remains SHEFFIELD Wednesday. Otherwise we're a franchise club. He owns the shares and technically he can do what he wants - move to MIlton Keynes so they can get another leg up perhaps - but that doesn't mean I have to approve just because he happens to have had the bucks to buy Mandaric out. I know prices will going up and probably up and up and up - and that I regard as a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 14 pages and has their been one ounce of proof?! Pricing is correct. Iv seen the quote. Whether it's negotiable or not is down the the two companies to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 And I know there's a significant number of fans who come from outside Sheffield and that's fine but go to Hillsborough on a Saturday and the overwhelming accent is a Sheffield one. At Watford on the last day of the seaon the overwhelming accent was a Sheffield one. I like that - we're talking about a football club based in a particular community as it has been for almost 150 years. I like that sense of tradition and continuity when it comes to my football club and don't see why it's such a bad thing. I don't hate foreigners, I abhor UKIP but we're talking football which is something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirocevic Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 And I know there's a significant number of fans who come from outside Sheffield and that's fine but go to Hillsborough on a Saturday and the overwhelming accent is a Sheffield one. At Watford on the last day of the seaon the overwhelming accent was a Sheffield one. I like that - we're talking about a football club based in a particular community as it has been for almost 150 years. I like that sense of tradition and continuity when it comes to my football club and don't see why it's such a bad thing. I don't hate foreigners, I abhor UKIP but we're talking football which is something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirocevic Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 S6 resident here who was at Watford with three blokes from London who go to all games home and away.I salute them for still supporting us after all these years of rubbish that's been served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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