FreshOwl Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, markg said: Well I don’t think that they should l do Pretty dangerous to be writing the playbook on how women should behave before, during or after a rape Are you serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Are you serious I think he is, bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 '11 victims in the case' bajeezus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The jury also heard from a woman who said she was attacked by Mr Matturie at a house in Sheffield where then Sheffield Wednesday footballer Claude Dielna lived. Snip from the BBC article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The lifestyle of women, money, parties when being a football seems it can go occasionally too far. Some of the tendencies (if they are just that) of some of the people included make me feel uneasy at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, toppOwl said: I think he is, bizarre. Yes, I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 hours ago, markg said: Yes, I am How else do you judge the credibility of the allegation given that 99/100 there is no witness, no cctv and the male party will claim consent, which is a ever changing variable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Before or during, all that is relevant is around consent. After, largely irrelevant unless the behaviour is inconsistent with having been raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 7 hours ago, fudge27 said: How else do you judge the credibility of the allegation given that 99/100 there is no witness, no cctv and the male party will claim consent, which is a ever changing variable IF you can't prove it then you can't prove it. But ti shouldn't be because of the way that the person who reported it acted before, during or after. Such a dangerous precedent it's untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, markg said: IF you can't prove it then you can't prove it. But ti shouldn't be because of the way that the person who reported it acted before, during or after. Such a dangerous precedent it's untrue. Agree, but that is why the prosecution figures for it are so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Do like this team news thoigh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, fudge27 said: Agree, but that is why the prosecution figures for it are so low. They’d be even lower if women reported it even less than they do through fear of the world judging them on how they behaved before and after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, markg said: They’d be even lower if women reported it even less than they do through fear of the world judging them on how they behaved before and after The issue being you haven't offered a solution on how you try to solve such things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, fudge27 said: The issue being you haven't offered a solution on how you try to solve such things I know. I don’t really have one if I’m honest. I just really hate the idea of how a woman behaves, no matter how bad it looks, being something that is taken into account. I’m probably talking nonsense and not getting my point across properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, markg said: I know. I don’t really have one if I’m honest. I just really hate the idea of how a woman behaves, no matter how bad it looks, being something that is taken into account. I’m probably talking nonsense and not getting my point across properly. The thing to remember though is, so is the man's behaviour. Both sides are effectively trying to portray the other as unreliable. It's not ideal but there's very few alternatives unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I Love Coffee Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, markg said: I know. I don’t really have one if I’m honest. I just really hate the idea of how a woman behaves, no matter how bad it looks, being something that is taken into account. I’m probably talking nonsense and not getting my point across properly. Sadly that is how Ched Evans got off in the end - so the legal precedent has been set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 21 hours ago, Kopparberg said: The lifestyle of women, money, parties when being a football seems it can go occasionally too far. Some of the tendencies (if they are just that) of some of the people included make me feel uneasy at best. Tired of being kicked around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southie_Owl Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 As someone who has experienced first hand the devastation a sexual assault causes to a woman and the ones who love her, I know that she could not bare to look at the man’s face again, let alone socialise with him. In my experience it is not “normal behaviour” for a woman to want to go to the same place as the man who assaulted her. People can say it’s irrelevant, but I think natural human behaviour gets considered when there’s no evidence and it’s only word of mouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: Tired of being kicked around? Not sure what you mean ? It’s an ongoing case so my comment was as vague as possible really. I’m just referring to the possibility of this or similar behaviour being a type of ‘culture’ in football and was thinking if this is an extreme case or the tip of the iceberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: Tired of being kicked around? Oh I get you now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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