Under-23 departures confirmed

[Dutch McLovin]

12 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

Apart from Liam Palmer etc?

 

To be fair to him he said do well

[DonnyOwl1965]

17 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Did you think any were going to make it? Unfortunately if they were good enough they’d be in and around the first team or performing well out on loan. They’re not. They were never going to make the grade here, however harsh that sounds.

 

The only one I was slightly surprised about is Waldock. But then is he ever going to get in ahead of Bannan, Byers, Luongo, Dele-Bashiru, Adenarin, Hunt? 
 

Nope. Hunt is a player we decided to keep and he can’t even get a game for Oldham. 

Easy to say, I beg to differ. Corey Glaves in particular was incredibly talented and in many well-respected peoples opinions had a future in the game, but wasn’t developed or coached to reach full potential.

[Inspector Lestrade]

18 minutes ago, DonnyOwl1965 said:

Easy to say, I beg to differ. Corey Glaves in particular was incredibly talented and in many well-respected peoples opinions had a future in the game, but wasn’t developed or coached to reach full potential.

 

Wouldn't Wednesday say he was?  Or if you are right why wouldn't Wednesday coach him to his potential?  It doesn't make any sense to me that Wednesday wouldn't do it.

[Guest]

We've got better players coming through at the younger ages so its right to make way for them. For example, Jack Hall has been in the England set up and is better than Render and about 4 years younger.

[Guest]

On 18/03/2022 at 10:24, Luke said:

Palmer made his full team debut 12 years ago 

 

So like I said weve not had anyone come through in years 

 

1 success in 12 years ain't great is it 

Dawson and Wildsmith? Although I'm not sure they would be considered a success, they've made 50+ appearances each

[Jeffjohnsonmyhero]

Did,nt Huddersfield  scrap their u23 side and put all their money into the first team?

[SallyCinnamon]

1 hour ago, DonnyOwl1965 said:

Easy to say, I beg to differ. Corey Glaves in particular was incredibly talented and in many well-respected peoples opinions had a future in the game, but wasn’t developed or coached to reach full potential.

Hmm you hear this about a lot of young lads who get released.

 

Didn’t we have a Bulgarian wonderkid a couple of years back? Up in arms people on here when we released him. Where is he now?

[malek]

Generation that Palmer was part of was one of most talented that We had here for as long as I can remember.

 

Liam and Vadaine Oliver made careers in the game out of that lot and neither was thought of as most talented player in that group.

 

Nathan Modest was lightning quick but wasn't developed one bit while in our academy.

 

James Cottingham was very skillful attacking midfielder and great dribbler who by the time he turned 18 resembled more a "headless chicken" than talented player he was when he joined academy.

 

Than it was Danny Kirkland who could play anything down left side and had fantastic left peg.

 

Jack Barnett was a cultured two footed playmaker with an eye for a pass and deadly aim from free kicks. For some reason He spent his whole 2'nd year playing center back.

 

Back than We had Sean McAuley as academy manager. He used to sit players in circle at half time and scream at them, never developing anyone and ruining whatever He touched.

[scram]

Hudds folded their academy and went to Cat 4 - which is basically an u18 team - no younger age groups

 

I think Hudds field an u17 team at u18 academy level and also run an u19/B team

 

I see the rationale because running teams at all age groups is a huge task and too many clubs just play at it because of the effort and finances involved

[SallyCinnamon]

I’ve always been of the view that if a player is good enough both skill wise and mentally they will make it. You can say ‘but they’re not coached right’ but if they’ve got it a big clubs takes them early doors or they are that good the setup doesn’t make a difference.

[modboy]

Have united had many youth coming through recently. Live outside Sheffield so have zero idea.

[malek]

2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Hmm you hear this about a lot of young lads who get released.

 

Didn’t we have a Bulgarian wonderkid a couple of years back? Up in arms people on here when we released him. Where is he now?

 

Actually We had two.

 

Both were strikers. One signed professional forms here, other one was on one of those "50 most talented European young players" lists and was released after He finished his 2'nd year with academy, never getting offer of a pro contract.

 

As far as I remember most on here that follow academy football said they weren't good enough to make it here.

[SallyCinnamon]

4 minutes ago, malek said:

Generation that Palmer was part of was one of most talented that We had here for as long as I can remember.

 

Liam and Vadaine Oliver made careers in the game out of that lot and neither was thought of as most talented player in that group.

 

Nathan Modest was lightning quick but wasn't developed one bit while in our academy.

 

James Cottingham was very skillful attacking midfielder and great dribbler who by the time he turned 18 resembled more a "headless chicken" than talented player he was when he joined academy.

 

Than it was Danny Kirkland who could play anything down left side and had fantastic left peg.

 

Jack Barnett was a cultured two footed playmaker with an eye for a pass and deadly aim from free kicks. For some reason He spent his whole 2'nd year playing center back.

 

Back than We had Sean McAuley as academy manager. He used to sit players in circle at half time and scream at them, never developing anyone and ruining whatever He touched.

I think we’ve done a lot better recently to be fair. The likes of Hirst, Clare, Penney, Preston, Kirby, Urhoghide, Shaw all look like they will go on to have good careers in the game. 
 

Better than previous standards. We’ve just never produced top top talent. 

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, malek said:

 

Actually We had two.

 

Both were strikers. One signed professional forms here, other one was on one of those "50 most talented European young players" lists and was released after He finished his 2'nd year with academy, never getting offer of a pro contract.

 

As far as I remember most on here that follow academy football said they weren't good enough to make it here.

I’m on about the kid who was really small. People on here said he was really talented but still got released.

 

Wasn’t there a Dad who used to post on here who’s kid was in the 23s? O’Brien? Assume he didn’t make the grade either?

[malek]

1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said:

I think we’ve done a lot better recently to be fair. The likes of Hirst, Clare, Penney, Preston, Kirby, Urhoghide, Shaw all look like they will go on to have good careers in the game. 
 

Better than previous standards. We’ve just never produced top top talent. 

 

I'm talking about material coming in to develop through our academy.

 

Generation I'm talking about was very highly touted of and it is criminal how little those players got developed in their 2 years here.

 

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I’ve always been of the view that if a player is good enough both skill wise and mentally they will make it. You can say ‘but they’re not coached right’ but if they’ve got it a big clubs takes them early doors or they are that good the setup doesn’t make a difference.

 

Sorry mate, but unless We are talking about superb prospect who really stands out I really can't agree with what you are saying. I personally know many very talented players who never got it as well as those who were very average playing youth football that made nice careers for themselves in the game.

[malek]

8 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

I’m on about the kid who was really small. People on here said he was really talented but still got released.

 

Wasn’t there a Dad who used to post on here who’s kid was in the 23s? O’Brien? Assume he didn’t make the grade either?

 

Yes, Jordan O'Brien got badly injured in his 2'nd year and wasn't offered pro deal. Never seen him play so can't say how talented or not He was.

 

Than you are thinking of Eyad Hammoud. Did well for academy side, but 5'5'' or 5'6'' tall and not quick enough to make up for it. Went on trial at Cardiff after leaving us and ended up in Lebanon.

[Birley Owl 1867]

45 minutes ago, malek said:

Generation that Palmer was part of was one of most talented that We had here for as long as I can remember.

 

Liam and Vadaine Oliver made careers in the game out of that lot and neither was thought of as most talented player in that group.

 

Nathan Modest was lightning quick but wasn't developed one bit while in our academy.

 

James Cottingham was very skillful attacking midfielder and great dribbler who by the time he turned 18 resembled more a "headless chicken" than talented player he was when he joined academy.

 

Than it was Danny Kirkland who could play anything down left side and had fantastic left peg.

 

Jack Barnett was a cultured two footed playmaker with an eye for a pass and deadly aim from free kicks. For some reason He spent his whole 2'nd year playing center back.

 

Back than We had Sean McAuley as academy manager. He used to sit players in circle at half time and scream at them, never developing anyone and ruining whatever He touched.

I think you mean Modest didn't have the attitude to develop himself more than the coaching staff.

 

Like you say, Palmer wasn't the most skilful player in the bunch, yet he has the right professional attitude to succeed, which is why he has. And that is why more skilful players like Modest fail. 

[modboy]

Whilst Palmer has done well not sure how successful an academy is when it produces one third level footballer since the days of haslam etc.

[I'm an Essex Owl]

We might as well close the academy down and do a Brentford - spend the cash on the best scouts and data specialists we can afford and sign players we can actually sell on for millions - Maupay  Ollie Watkins Benrhama, Ezri Konza Andre Grey - all sold and replaced before they got to the Prem