SallyCinnamon Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, akbuk said: What is a director of football are there any good examples in the UK? I think most clubs in the top two divisions have a CEO. Not sure about DOF but I’m sure a good number do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I am not sure its a Director of Football we need. I would prefer somebody who has fondness for club and plenty of common sense to have DC's ear so that some of daft things we have done can be avoided. Palmer thought TP was right man for job which shows what he knows. Wilkinson is still functioning but is probably too old to act as regular confident. Brian Laws would strike me as a good man to consult. It is amazing to see how many pundits are saying Paul Cook would be right man for job. Lets hope DC reading a few of columns. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Bit bold to claim this as fact It is fact 100% Palmer knows naff all about how the club is ran Just sprouting to keep relivent with the fan base 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) "Why is everyone acting surprised? My advisors were here before I purchased the club" Edited January 15, 2021 by bobness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sticky Micky said: It is fact 100% Palmer knows naff all about how the club is ran Just sprouting to keep relivent with the fan base Again it’s probably not 100% fact is it. Palmer will have heard plenty of what goes on behind the scenes from people in the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sticky Micky said: Palmer doesn't have a clue what's happening at the club, fact That's it, close the thread - the "FACT" card has been played.. Honestly........................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, Hedwig said: That's it, close the thread - the "FACT" card has been played.. Honestly........................ It’s ironic because he probably doesn’t know for a fact that Palmer knows for a fact what is happening behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, SallyCinnamon said: It’s ironic because he probably doesn’t know for a fact that Palmer knows for a fact what is happening behind the scenes. Now - that's a fact ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: It’s ironic because he probably doesn’t know for a fact that Palmer knows for a fact what is happening behind the scenes. Not helped by the FACT that our owner doesn't know his 'arris from his elbow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: He is bang on the money. I for one, along with many others on here have said since the day Chansiri took over he should have brought in Wilkinson to run the footballing side of the club . Instead we have advisors who run sports management companies with a vested interest in parking their players and managers at Hillsbro to make money from the club. We have advisors who don't have the clubs interest at heart, only their wallets. This policy is an open goal for these advisors to fleece the club. I've still never got my head around this as a sensible policy for running a football club. Previous managers have hinted that certain 'advisors' are "part of the fabric of the club"/de facto DoFs etc. If so, and they have such a huge say in the running of the Club, then why not put them on the payroll and introduce some accountability? Pay them accordingly if you have to - make our success their only priority. I don't mind him getting advice, and I can stomach him even getting it from his current ones. But he could pay these people to do that exclusively to the benefit of SWFC if he so wished - not juggling our interests amongst those of other clients they have. This approach of linking up with agents/sports management companies etc, whilst not unique to us and there are examples of where it has worked, has failed us. I cannot understand why he wouldn't, at the absolute minimum, look at changing this up in some way. Put it this way, if I was pumping £100s of millions into a football club (as we're told), I'd want to know that any advice I was taking was, without any shadow of a doubt, the best advice for my investment as that person's priority. And to some extent that must demand exclusivity? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Enjoyed most of what Carlton said but thought he was a bit disrespectful to the people who’ve applied. Even Chris Coleman was a better manager than Carlton was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, blueandwhitematt said: I've still never got my head around this as a sensible policy for running a football club. Previous managers have hinted that certain 'advisors' are "part of the fabric of the club"/de facto DoFs etc. If so, and they have such a huge say in the running of the Club, then why not put them on the payroll and introduce some accountability? Pay them accordingly if you have to - make our success their only priority. I don't mind him getting advice, and I can stomach him even getting it from his current ones. But he could pay these people to do that exclusively to the benefit of SWFC if he so wished - not juggling our interests amongst those of other clients they have. This approach of linking up with agents/sports management companies etc, whilst not unique to us and there are examples of where it has worked, has failed us. I cannot understand why he wouldn't, at the absolute minimum, look at changing this up in some way. Put it this way, if I was pumping £100s of millions into a football club (as we're told), I'd want to know that any advice I was taking was, without any shadow of a doubt, the best advice for my investment as that person's priority. And to some extent that must demand exclusivity? Great post. It’s the lack of accountability for me. The advisers are just there in the background. We see them at games and we know they work for the chairman - so why not give them an official title and give them some accountability for their decisions? With them just lurking in the background it just all seems very shady and strange. We had the new adviser claiming he was a shareholder in his Instagram bio (deleted it since) and then the chairman saying ‘he’s nothing special’? What’s that all about? At the end of the day these agents don’t just work for SWFC. That’s my issue with it. They will have other interests and clients they work for. So I struggle to believe that every decision they make is with SWFC at heart. I can see the attraction of relying on sports agents for a short term fix when you’ve got a bit of money to spend. Therefore I can see why DC went for this approach a few years back when he had money to spend and he wanted Premier League football. However years down the line, struggling in the Championship with very little money seemingly available - why he is neglecting a proper footballing structure I don’t understand. The only reason I can think of is stubbornness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I stopped reading after... "If I was a manager now worth my salt, I wouldn't go anywhere near it (the job). the brackets...(the job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, akbuk said: What is a director of football are there any good examples in the UK? I literally pasted your question into google. This came up. https://www.90min.com/posts/6272660-profiling-all-15-directors-of-football-in-the-premier-league It’s from a couple of years ago but will enlighten you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillyno9 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, akbuk said: What is a director of football are there any good examples in the UK? Great question! I’m struggling to think of any clubs where this is currently happening. Peterborough maybe with Barry fry? some clubs have had success with targeted recruitment in the past. Bloke up at Newcastle bought well from the french market. Tony carr? Leicester have also bought well recently, from french/Dutch/Belgian leagues. Mike Walsh? Personally I think a lot of our problems past and present come from poor player recruitment. We don’t seem to have eyes and ears spread far and wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, gillyno9 said: Great question! I’m struggling to think of any clubs where this is currently happening. Peterborough maybe with Barry fry? some clubs have had success with targeted recruitment in the past. Bloke up at Newcastle bought well from the french market. Tony carr? Leicester have also bought well recently, from french/Dutch/Belgian leagues. Mike Walsh? Personally I think a lot of our problems past and present come from poor player recruitment. We don’t seem to have eyes and ears spread far and wide. Which is why you need a CEO and a director of football to put a proper structure in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Really think an Holloway working alongside cook would work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Carlton was a great player for us, but I can’t take anything he says seriously. He does talk some shyte. I remember when he called for DC to sign Rhodes at the time. Called him a proper striker and said if you wanna go up pay the money. Worked out well didn’t it. Then earlier this season said the same about Dwight Gayle. He’s not what we need either. Carlton Palmer has no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillyno9 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Which is why you need a CEO and a director of football to put a proper structure in place. Yes, I agree. Glenn roeder, Adam Pearson combo might have been interesting if it had time to play out. Think they were responsible for a few of the 2015 summer signings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watto Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 57 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Maybe DC likes having advisers to lean on because it means he is still in control and they’re only there if he needs advice. They won’t question how he’s running things because they’re just an adviser. A CEO or DOF might be more willing to challenge him and his running of things and DC won’t like that. So no matter how much bad advice they have given him, DC will keep them on because it’s his preferred way of running the club. Absolutely , that's just how I see him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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