Monk's done with Rhodes?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said:

I totally understand but you aren’t making the point you think you are. You are just diminishing his involvement in 2 promotions because you don’t like him. The point I am making is the claim he wasn’t fancied by 7 managers is untrue as 2 of them played him and one of them wasn’t even at the club at the same time. In my opinion the other 4 manager don’t know their arse from their elbow. There you go. You must have got it this time!

 

Have you replied to the wrong post?

I have not made any claim about any previous managers and think that even though he has been poor for us we should have kept him in the side for the last two games. Our performances this season have been worse when he has not been on the pitch and we have looked more effective with him. 

[Holmowl]

2 hours ago, 0114 said:

Same can be said of Matt Penney. 
 

Excellent off the bench v Walsall. Plays well in win v Cardiff. Plays a decent 55 mins or so against Watford. Since been exiled from the last 2 sides and seemingly now playing for U23s. 
 

Monk is ruthless. Maybe too ruthless. Players clearly lack confidence and are afraid to make mistakes. 

He didn’t play well v Cardiff or Watford. Very poor.

[McRightSide]

He was a bit lifeless in the second game, didn't really do anything to justify his inclusion.

 

Having said that, neither did Kachunga.

[McRightSide]

2 hours ago, 0114 said:

Same can be said of Matt Penney. 
 

Excellent off the bench v Walsall. Plays well in win v Cardiff. Plays a decent 55 mins or so against Watford. Since been exiled from the last 2 sides and seemingly now playing for U23s. 
 

Monk is ruthless. Maybe too ruthless. Players clearly lack confidence and are afraid to make mistakes. 

 

Penney was:

 

Excellent off the bench against Walsall

 

Dodgy against Cardiff

 

Poor against Watford

 

He's clearly not of the required standard and should be moved on for the sake of his career.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Holmowl said:

He didn’t play well v Cardiff or Watford. Very poor.

 

Penney was probably our poorest performer against Cardiff. I don't recall him doing a great deal wrong against Watford but equally I don't recall him having much of an impact.

Hopefully Reach will now get the opportunity to play down the left more rather than being turned into something he clearly isn't suited to. 

[billyblack]

35 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

Only referencing one narrow point here.

The goal at Cardiff was a classic example of the poacher's stock in trade.

 

Lineaker was feared and lauded for getting in front of the defender and between the keeper and the ball.

It's a skill that looks easy but don't discredit him for a really good goal?

Must be an art form nobody want as i cant see people queuing up for him

[Blatter]

1 hour ago, Jack the Hat said:

Three of our last four managers have been bobbins, only one with any credibility was Bruce and Rhodes was on loan at Norwich his entire time here. 

Ok then substitute Daniel Farke of Norwich for Bruce.

[Guest Jack the Hat]

27 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Have you replied to the wrong post?

I have not made any claim about any previous managers and think that even though he has been poor for us we should have kept him in the side for the last two games. Our performances this season have been worse when he has not been on the pitch and we have looked more effective with him. 

Yes. I don’t have my glasses on!!!

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, McRightSide said:

He was a bit lifeless in the second game, didn't really do anything to justify his inclusion.

 

Having said that, neither did Kachunga.

 

Rhodes didn't do a great deal against Watford, but as when he came on against Walsall, he knows how to play the position and the team benefited from the shape with him in attack. We were far better in the first half of that game than the second where we were largely on the back foot.

Kachunga was then also completely ineffective in the cup game but for some reason got the nod in the next league match and Rhodes has now sat out two in which we haven't performed as well as in the two he did play in. 

[billyblack]

I guess theres two trains of thought here. Hes scored over 100 goals in the championship in linkeresque fashion, in which case he must be worth at least £25 mill, or hes past it and only way we could get rid is to give him away. Take your pick.

[Costello 77]

6 minutes ago, billyblack said:

Must be an art form nobody want as i cant see people queuing up for him

I'm saying it was a good forward's goal. Not that he's in demand.

I explained that it was a narrow point.

Do you understand that?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, billyblack said:

Must be an art form nobody want as i cant see people queuing up for him

 

I don't expect many will want him and I fully appreciate and agree with everyone who thinks we need better.

What I don't understand is why you would drop a striker at the start of the new season after two games that you have taken 4 points from with him scoring 1 of the two and the team playing worse in those games after he was substituted. 

[billyblack]

8 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

I'm saying it was a good forward's goal. Not that he's in demand.

I explained that it was a narrow point.

Do you understand that?

I understand fine ta.

 

Thanks for checking

[Costello 77]

3 minutes ago, billyblack said:

I understand fine ta.

 

Thanks for checking

You're welcome mate.

[billyblack]

10 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

I don't expect many will want him and I fully appreciate and agree with everyone who thinks we need better.

What I don't understand is why you would drop a striker at the start of the new season after two games that you have taken 4 points from with him scoring 1 of the two and the team playing worse in those games after he was substituted. 

I dont think he knows his best team, lets be frank. Apart from sporadic glimpses we havent played well for a long time. Dont think any of our players should be guatanteed a starting spot.

[109Waddle]

Who was the last player to score a league goal for us?

 

I don’t get why Monk changed the team for the Bristol game. I don’t get why Penney and Rhodes are now frozen out again.
 

I fear monk’s much lauded strategy for ‘dynamic’ players who can play in various midfield/forward positions will just lead to a muchness of a muchness and general impotency going forward.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, billyblack said:

I dont think he knows his best team, lets be frank. Apart from sporadic glimpses we havent played well for a long time. Dont think any of our players should be guatanteed a starting spot.

 

True, just think it was strange to change when it was working to a degree. 

[billyblack]

1 minute ago, 109Waddle said:

Who was the last player to score a league goal for us?

 

I don’t get why Monk changed the team for the Bristol game. I don’t get why Penney and Rhodes are now frozen out again.
 

I fear monk’s much lauded strategy for ‘dynamic’ players who can play in various midfield/forward positions will just lead to a muchness of a muchness and general impotency going forward.

I dont know but im guessing Rhodes. Doesnt mean he will contribute in sunsequent matches though. I suspect the reason we are collating a squad of jack of all trades rather than a larger squad of specialists is because we cant. Suspect our hands are tied due to our illustrious chairman's leadership to date. None of our forwards are good enough ( we dont have any 'proper' strikers). Rhodes included ( he once was but not anymore)

[DJMortimer]

22 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said:

I totally understand but you aren’t making the point you think you are. You are just diminishing his involvement in 2 promotions because you don’t like him. The point I am making is the claim he wasn’t fancied by 7 managers is untrue as 2 of them played him and one of them wasn’t even at the club at the same time. In my opinion the other 4 manager don’t know their arse from their elbow. There you go. You must have got it this time!

 

Rhodes scored 6 league goals for Norwich and 2 of those came in early defeats when they were struggling with him in the starting line-up; finding themselves one point outside the bottom three. After that he played no part at all in a quarter of the matches and his contribution was 3 further starts and 4 more goals in a team that scored 93 overall and secured automatic promotion by 11 points. Come on; his contribution to their success was fairly negligible in total and you're making a fool of yourself to try and make more of it than that.

 

At Middlesbrough, when he arrived they were in second place, one point behind the leaders (Hull). By season's end they were still in second place, four points back. In terms of goals and points averages, their performance dipped just a tiny fraction after Rhodes came in. He scored a few important goals in the run in, but it can hardly be claimed he transformed their fortunes, which stayed much as they had been before. Just a few months after buying him he hardly had a kick in the Premier League, making only 6 appearances. This for a team that registered a mere 5 wins and 27 goals all season. 

 

Since October 2015, he has played under 6 permanent managers and 1 caretaker boss at 4 clubs. In those five years, he has started the grand total of 87 games with 75 more from the bench. So far as I remember, he has suffered no significant injuries during that period. You cannot dress all of that up as coincidence and misfortune, especially as two of those clubs paid very large fees for his services. 

 

And I have no personal feelings about him at all really. He actually seems a likeable enough kind of fellow so far as I can tell. I was happy for him when he got that hat trick at the City Ground after such a long spell of misery here. Maybe there have been some mitigating factors we're not aware of? Neither is it his fault that a lorry load of cash was parked on his driveway to come here. What I take more exception to is people using inconsistent standards to judge him as opposed to other players and trying to shoehorn reality to conform with their preconceptions when there is an abundance of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Sergeant Tibbs]

2 hours ago, cookeh said:

 

Monk's never played him consistently, but the few times he's had more than one outing he's scored. He got bombed out the team very shortly after the hattrick last year and was barely seen again.

 

Bruce never had Rhodes as an option, he was away at Norwich the entire time Bruce was here.

Bullen. What? Still repect Bully, but he's not a football manager.

 

Farke was playing 1 striker and had head and shoulders the best striker in the league in Pukki. He still used Rhdoes regularly and Rhodes scored goals that helped them get promoted.

 

Luhukay. Found Adthe and Joao in the undroppable form of their lives and then shipped Rhodes out to Norwich barely having played him, I assume thinking that Joao and Nuhiu would keep scoring as they had been.

 

Carlos played Rhodes up front as a 'big man', with Winnall supposed to play off him. So yes.. Carlos was just plain wrong.

 

Karanka. Wasn't that he didnt' rate Rhodes.. he just had f'ing Negredo is the side.. double figures of goals for Spain.

 

So who were you right about? Carlos who thought Rhodes was a target man. and Monk.. who just seems to freeze players out at random.

 

 

Calros played Rhodes with Winnall playing off him. When ? How many times ? Is this when Fletcher, Hooper and Forestieri were in the side. 
 

Rhodes was fourth choice striker back then and still is now. 
 

Lukuhay gave Rhodes game time when he arrived, so what changed his mind. What did he witness on the training ground ?