EcclesallOwl Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: It was fun though, entertaining for the most part. Oh definitely! The first season was brilliant - some great football. After that it was awful though, even when we finished 4th. How the hell did we manage to not go up with those teams in the play offs? It’s a shame he bottled it after Wembley and started playing defensively 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, nickswfc said: What Jos and Monk have served up is way worse than Carlos ever did. Someone's got to clean up Carlos' mess though Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Carlos was so close to the right formula here, .................Westwood Hunt........Lees.......Loovens.......Pudil ..........Lee......Hutch......Bannan Matias.........Joao............Fessi iirc that was pretty much his first year team and was probably 2 players short of success. Hooper, Fletcher, Wallace & Reach were bought in, but somehow we got further away from success We're now years away from promotion ... I wonder if Carlos has learned from his mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: It was fun though, entertaining for the most part. I agree was fun for a while but was all done on foundations of sand. Once the oily charm wore off Carlos didn't really have anything else to back it up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, EcclesallOwl said: Oh definitely! The first season was brilliant - some great football. After that it was awful though, even when we finished 4th. How the hell did we manage to not go up with those teams in the play offs? It’s a shame he bottled it after Wembley and started playing defensively There I agree with you, would love to know why he went from one extreme to the other. More the middle way would have been more beneficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickswfc Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Someone's got to clean up Carlos' mess though Can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, matthefish2002 said: I agree was fun for a while but was all done on foundations of sand. Once the oily charm wore off Carlos didn't really have anything else to back it up with. Like most managers, shame he didn't have a strong, influential character in his backroom staff to caution him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Fair play to him I say, Good managers learn and adapt from their experiences maybe he's one of those As for us First season with us was the best football in the past 25 years and closest weve come to the premier league Second season more restrictive and less free flowing but highest league position since relegation from Premier league Third season signed/given wrong players football was dull but still better than anything Jos, monk served up after him or Grey before him Edited June 24, 2020 by Guest wrong facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, nickswfc said: I wanted him gone at the time. It felt like his time had come. But had he stayed I really don't think we'd have done any worse. What Jos and Monk have served up is way worse than Carlos ever did. Jos, Monk and Bruce. The football wasn’t great in season two, but Carlos knew how to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: There I agree with you, would love to know why he went from one extreme to the other. More the middle way would have been more beneficial. Apparently he said teams had figured us out and we needed to play a different way Load of rubbish. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. How many successful teams completely change the way they play every year so teams don’t figure them out? Edited June 24, 2020 by Stoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: There I agree with you, would love to know why he went from one extreme to the other. More the middle way would have been more beneficial. Because he tried to copy Hull. Had Bruce taken over the Carlos team, Carlos would be seen as a hero. That squad that Jos took over didn’t need major surgery. Few in, few out. Bruce would have nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Stoop said: Apparently he said teams had figured us out and we needed to play a different way Load of rubbish. How many successful teams completely change the way they play every year so teams don’t figure them out? This always happens to Sheffield Wednesday managers for some bizarre reason Every single one of them Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Stoop said: Apparently he said teams had figured us out and we needed to play a different way Load of rubbish. How many successful teams completely change the way they play every year so teams don’t figure them out? I give in, how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Jos, Monk and Bruce. The football wasn’t great in season two, but Carlos knew how to win Strange season was that. Two games in particular summed that season up for me. Rotherham and Wigan away, absolutely dreadful football but we came away with the points on both occasions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Still loads we don't know about im sure r.e. recruitment. Clearly didn't want Abdi, Rhodes, Van Aken. Those we know of. If only we'd got a deal over the line for Keogh or more so Sean Morrison who he wanted, i think it'd have been much better placed, rather than ending up with Van Aken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: I give in, how many? 1 Wednesday 16/17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Stoop said: Apparently he said teams had figured us out and we needed to play a different way Load of rubbish. How many successful teams completely change the way they play every year so teams don’t figure them out? I think it was more of a case of seeing the limitations in the squad, and devising a way to overcome them He massively overachieved in season two, but the disappointment was, the cagey approach not being enough to beat a very beatable Huddersfield side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, vulva said: Because he tried to copy Hull. Had Bruce taken over the Carlos team, Carlos would be seen as a hero. That squad that Jos took over didn’t need major surgery. Few in, few out. Bruce would have nailed it. I remain to be convinced about Bruce, certainly better than Jos, but the players Bruce signed for the club haven't been the signings of the decade, hardly pulled up any trees. Granted had he been here to mould them to how he wanted to play, we might have seen better results, but we will never know. He was doing a competent job thats about as good a compliment I can give him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Anyway I wish him well. But let's be honest this won't be the last of this statistic that we hear He'll be banging on about it for years to come So you are telling me he may break more records.? Perhaps that could mean that he is not a bad manager after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, vulva said: If this lot got us into the playoffs I’d allow them to train 1 hour a week and use the pitch for weddings if they wanted. And then they'd fail again making it pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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