Hookowl Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, rickygoo said: It sounds like downsizing to get under P&S limits to me. If continuing investment at a similar level is downsizing you are correct. Then again .............................................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The survey didn't mention bringing more top players in; it mentioned continued investment at a similar level. Given that we were already straining at the limits of what's allowed under P&S, keeping the vast majority of our best players whilst trying to get ourselves out of the embargo would seem to constitute continued investment at a similar level, to be fair. I wonder what the combined investment in Loovens, Venancio Wallace, Kean, Hirst, Clare, Hunt and Rhodes was Edited August 7, 2018 by Hillsborough Mole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Suzuki_San said: The survey was at the beginning of February. The embargo was in effect from April. You can project figures with a fair amount of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hookowl said: If continuing investment at a similar level is downsizing you are correct. Then again .............................................................. I don't see how trying to reduce the wage bill by getting rid of players -Wallace, Loovens, Hunt, Venancio, Rhodes maybe Westwood and maybe even more - is "continuing investment at a similar level". Looks like cutting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 What a way to round off a truly dreadful summer for this club. First time ever in our 151 year history that we’ve been under a transfer embargo. A fanbase divided and many long-standing fans feeling alienated and apathetic. But we got into the playoffs a few seasons ago, so you can’t criticise the way the club is being run apparently. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 46 minutes ago, Plonk said: So it’s now August. We’ve been on an embargo at least four months and still no communication from the club unless you were there last night. Starting to get really pissed off with the lack of clarity from the club. I’ve wasted most of my summer waiting for news that was never going to come. Read my posts mate posted at the beginning of the summer that there wouldn't be any signings. Watson's posts fact-checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theboylangers Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Captain said: What a way to round off a truly dreadful summer for this club. First time ever in our 151 year history that we’ve been under a transfer embargo. A fanbase divided and many long-standing fans feeling alienated and apathetic. But we got into the playoffs a few seasons ago, so you can’t criticise the way the club is being run apparently. Someone will be along to defend the embargo soon, no doubt. Edited August 7, 2018 by Theboylangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, The Captain said: What a way to round off a truly dreadful summer for this club. First time ever in our 151 year history that we’ve been under a transfer embargo. Bert McGees transfer embargoes were legendary much to the frustration of Big Jack. We still got promoted and made a profit under his stewardship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Chuffinell. If I believed everybody that posted on here I would be veryconfused 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Captain said: What a way to round off a truly dreadful summer for this club. First time ever in our 151 year history that we’ve been under a transfer embargo. A fanbase divided and many long-standing fans feeling alienated and apathetic. But we got into the playoffs a few seasons ago, so you can’t criticise the way the club is being run apparently. We were under 2 temporary transfer embargos in 2010. Article from last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Captain said: What a way to round off a truly dreadful summer for this club. First time ever in our 151 year history that we’ve been under a transfer embargo. A fanbase divided and many long-standing fans feeling alienated and apathetic. But we got into the playoffs a few seasons ago, so you can’t criticise the way the club is being run apparently. Of course, you can criticise the club no one can stop you, you can even be nasty about it should you so desire. Some fans and Club owners would prefer that it is constructive criticism and without the nastiness. If you believe that unfair criticism and nastiness is required then fill your boots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hillsborough Mole said: I wonder what the combined investment in Loovens, Wallace, Kean, Hirst, Clare, Hunt and Rhodes was We were investing at the very limits of what's allowed; since we're under embargo, we clearly still are. I'd much rather lose those players than many of our key players, which has been avoided so far. I assume we'll need to sell someone for a decent fee to try and bring some new players in in the foreseeable future, but the chairman's clearly not trying to cut the levels of investment, otherwise we'd have flogged Forestieri, Bannan, João, Lees etc. long before now. Edited August 7, 2018 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Absolute shambles what's happening at the club. Sadly things may very well get much much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: We were investing at the very limits of what's allowed; since we're under embargo, we clearly still are. I'd much rather lose those players than many of our key players, which has been avoided so far. I assume we'll need to sell someone for a decent fee to try and bring some new players in in the foreseeable future, but the chairman's clearly not trying to cut the levels of investment, otherwise we'd have flogged Forestieri, Bannan, João, Lees etc. long before now. No we were investing at well OVER the limits. Irresponsibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Batman said: We were under 2 temporary transfer embargos in 2010. Article from last time. Never knew that. Interesting. 3 minutes ago, Watson said: Of course, you can criticise the club no one can stop you, you can even be nasty about it should you so desire. Some fans and Club owners would prefer that it is constructive criticism and without the nastiness. If you believe that unfair criticism and nastiness is required then fill your boots. There’s no need to be nasty about the situation. It’s only football. I would certainly be in the camp that prefers constructive and fair criticism/debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: but the chairman's clearly not trying to cut the levels of investment, If we are getting rid of players and not replacing them I don't see how that can possibly be true. We are trying to cut costs. We are reducing the size of the pool of experienced players. Even twisting words I don't see how what you are saying can possibly be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Watson said: Of course, you can criticise the club no one can stop you, you can even be nasty about it should you so desire. Some fans and Club owners would prefer that it is constructive criticism and without the nastiness. If you believe that unfair criticism and nastiness is required then fill your boots. There's no need to be nasty or unfair. It's hard to deny that it's a bit of a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: There's no need to be nasty or unfair. It's hard to deny that it's a bit of a shambles. ^^ sounds nasty to me Its down to perception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, Suzuki_San said: The survey was at the beginning of February. The embargo was in effect from April. If the embargo came out of the blue as a surprise to Chansiri in April, he's more clueless than we ever suspected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 There's only one person to blame for the current situation, the person that controls the money. He decided to go for it and would have profited if we had been promoted. He was reckless and gambled and lost. He decided to keep Carlos when many wanted a change. Say what you like DC is the boss and the buck stops there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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