What stopped us?

[Ronio]

Very good question from the OP.  

[OWLERTON GHOST]

13 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

Go back to the proper thread and post your morbid ramblings there.

 

If you fail.... I'll see you on the far side...my precious angle.

Wednesday are Massive  Massive club.. 

You better believe it don't ever doubt it .

 

.

Off to cremation or burial thread for part two of Blast Furnace Heat treatment and annealing HND module 6 

Lectured by Hoots and attended by myself and Costello 77 

 

[legendaryswan]

The boardroom is whats held the club back during my time,50 years plus.

Weve never had anyone with ambition and the clout to back those ambitions,Eric Taylor had the vision but not the backing from the board,we were always known for being tight fisted,a conservative football club that was happy to paddle along mid table and hit the odd decent cup run.The boardroom was made up of ageing pinstripe suits that smelt of old spice and brooke bond tea bags,we lacked a flambouyant entreprenuer or two,risk takers.We always bought players of potential or ex internationals,rather than current ones or players that were proven.

Which kind of sums up my years watching.....but for 3 or 4 quality players wed have been serious contenders rather than possible contenders.I think I began to accept where we are and always will be as a football club when Wilkinson got leeds a title after years of banging his head against the wall here

[owler66]

7 minutes ago, legendaryswan said:

The boardroom is whats held the club back during my time,50 years plus.

Weve never had anyone with ambition and the clout to back those ambitions,Eric Taylor had the vision but not the backing from the board,we were always known for being tight fisted,a conservative football club that was happy to paddle along mid table and hit the odd decent cup run.The boardroom was made up of ageing pinstripe suits that smelt of old spice and brooke bond tea bags,we lacked a flambouyant entreprenuer or two,risk takers.We always bought players of potential or ex internationals,rather than current ones or players that were proven.

Which kind of sums up my years watching.....but for 3 or 4 quality players wed have been serious contenders rather than possible contenders.I think I began to accept where we are and always will be as a football club when Wilkinson got leeds a title after years of banging his head against the wall here

But it's the councils fault for Wednesdays failure don't you understand 

[Lichfield alien]

39 minutes ago, Ronio said:

Very good question from the OP.  

It's been done to death over the years..nothing new about the question

[owler66]

Harry Catterick wanted to sign Joe Baker but the Council wouldn't let him so he left and went to Everton and won the title and FA Cup friggin Council 

[Lichfield alien]

I bet all the people slagging the council off vote labour at every single election 

[Anus]

I only wish we had a poster called 'Rhetoric'Owl' to answer this one.

 

Then I would want to know his address, so I could kick the poo out of him for not telling us sooner!!

 

[One De Bilde]

The name of love

[Lincs Owl]

8 hours ago, steveger said:

Sheffield is no longer the 4th or 5th largest city in England any longer, it's a myth, most cities have modernised, evolved and moved forward and expanded, Sheffield is held back by a socialist council with a runner up mentality, Sheffielder's are sadly used to seeing all the good things happen at other regions and cities whilst they moan on about trees

At the 2011 full census and the 2016 mid-term census, Sheffield was the 4th most populous city in England and the 5th in the UK. 

Its not a myth, its a fact.

Its also the 7th biggest urban area.

 

[TomtheOwl95]

8 hours ago, Bassett's Allsorts said:

Didn't someone like Carlton Palmer blame the rivalry for both Sheffield clubs' lack of success?

Yeah he said if there was only one club in Sheffield they would get 60,000 people every week.

[jamiejohn]

Of course everyone will point to lack of investment in the early 60s and 80s but we will never know how it would have turned out. Would joe baker have won us the league? Well spurs bought the best striker in the country after winning the double and didn't win the league. Other clubs have invested heavily when almost there and gone backwards, Leeds at the start of the century springs to mind 

i think it takes everything falling into to place the potential, the right manager, investment and a bit of luck 

nowadays it seems the main thing is a owner with a bottomless pot of cash which may not be right but at least gives you the hope you may be next 

[jamiejohn]

13 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Yeah he said if there was only one club in Sheffield they would get 60,000 people every week.

Yet the country's most successful clubs come from two club cities with the second clubs being bigger than us Sheffields first club. Do they inspire each other where as in Sheffield we hold each other back with petty arguments about nothing 

[TomtheOwl95]

2 minutes ago, jamiejohn said:

Yet the country's most successful clubs come from two club cities with the second clubs being bigger than us Sheffields first club. Do they inspire each other where as in Sheffield we hold each other back with petty arguments about nothing 

I think you're right personally.

[kikka]

Sheffield's two clubs came into existence when the city was a thriving bustling industrial centre - both clubs  were soon in or around  the Premier League ( of the day ). Over the years  the steady decline of the manufacturing industries has hit the wealth and status of the city hard - and also impacted upon both clubs' ability to thrive in a situation where money is tighter - and where other clubs , with , latterly, big money backers, in more affluent thriving cities in the UK have continued to grow . If we hope to compete with them again two clubs no longer makes sense in the situation we ( Sheffield ) find ourselves. - and is being prolonged by nostalgia and fierce and heartfelt partisanship - rather than logic. 

 

Over the last 3 seasons when we have had the money, poor management  strategies - particularly in relation to recruitment , and marketing ,  has wasted ...or at least considerably deferred our opportunity to capitalise on .... what was our best chance for years to make the step up. This situation is not irredeemable - but will require careful and improved , management.

 

The two club issue is more difficult to resolve given the entrenched views on many sides - but is something that  must surely come one day - it is clearly our best chance of creating a really big club in this city. Say a club called Sheffield City - with blue and red  stripes maybe - and  with a regular 45,000+ supporter base  ?

 

If we don't want that - then we stay as we are. ... scraping along - with, hopefully, a few crumbs of success from time to time along the way. 

[jamiejohn]

16 minutes ago, kikka said:

Sheffield's two clubs came into existence when the city was a thriving bustling industrial centre - both clubs  were soon in or around  the Premier League ( of the day ). Over the years  the steady decline of the manufacturing industries has hit the wealth and status of the city hard - and also impacted upon both clubs' ability to thrive in a situation where money is tighter - and where other clubs , with , latterly, big money backers, in more affluent thriving cities in the UK have continued to grow . If we hope to compete with them again two clubs no longer makes sense in the situation we ( Sheffield ) find ourselves. - and is being prolonged by nostalgia and fierce and heartfelt partisanship - rather than logic. 

 

Over the last 3 seasons when we have had the money, poor management  strategies - particularly in relation to recruitment , and marketing ,  has wasted ...or at least considerably deferred our opportunity to capitalise on .... what was our best chance for years to make the step up. This situation is not irredeemable - but will require careful and improved , management.

 

The two club issue is more difficult to resolve given the entrenched views on many sides - but is something that  must surely come one day - it is clearly our best chance of creating a really big club in this city. Say a club called Sheffield City - with blue and red  stripes maybe - and  with a regular 45,000+ supporter base  ?

 

If we don't want that - then we stay as we are. ... scraping along - with, hopefully, a few crumbs of success from time to time along the way. 

But if we follow your logic Leeds would be a super club not one we have finished above for the last few seasons and have won less than we have. Liverpool in the 80s was the most impoverished city in England but produced its best two teams, while we argued who had the best ground 

[Ronio]

3 hours ago, Lichfield alien said:

It's been done to death over the years..nothing new about the question

Nothing new you say, well what's the answer to the question? 

[Geedee]

5 hours ago, legendaryswan said:

The boardroom is whats held the club back during my time,50 years plus.

Weve never had anyone with ambition and the clout to back those ambitions,Eric Taylor had the vision but not the backing from the board,we were always known for being tight fisted,a conservative football club that was happy to paddle along mid table and hit the odd decent cup run.The boardroom was made up of ageing pinstripe suits that smelt of old spice and brooke bond tea bags,we lacked a flambouyant entreprenuer or two,risk takers.We always bought players of potential or ex internationals,rather than current ones or players that were proven.

Which kind of sums up my years watching.....but for 3 or 4 quality players wed have been serious contenders rather than possible contenders.I think I began to accept where we are and always will be as a football club when Wilkinson got leeds a title after years of banging his head against the wall here

Great post, Wilkinson with the 1992 trophy parading around Leeds Ciy Centre was terrible to watch. When we went up in 1984 I remember reading that we would win the title in 1988. Because he went to Leeds it took Howard another 4 years. 

Imo he could have been our Shankly, Busby or Clough. 

 

It was our big chance. 

[dorian gray]

9 hours ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

I love Sheffield it made me ..

I want to retire soon and move to Bradfield to end my days and be buried in Wisewood cemetery  (cremated first.. another thread covered here )

My wife however has other ideas 

"Yes my love whatever you say "..........

what? is she after gettin' you cremated NOW? 

[dorian gray]

8 hours ago, legendaryswan said:

The boardroom is whats held the club back during my time,50 years plus.

Weve never had anyone with ambition and the clout to back those ambitions,Eric Taylor had the vision but not the backing from the board,we were always known for being tight fisted,a conservative football club that was happy to paddle along mid table and hit the odd decent cup run.The boardroom was made up of ageing pinstripe suits that smelt of old spice and brooke bond tea bags,we lacked a flambouyant entreprenuer or two,risk takers.We always bought players of potential or ex internationals,rather than current ones or players that were proven.

Which kind of sums up my years watching.....but for 3 or 4 quality players wed have been serious contenders rather than possible contenders.I think I began to accept where we are and always will be as a football club when Wilkinson got leeds a title after years of banging his head against the wall here

 

2 hours ago, Geedee said:

Great post, Wilkinson with the 1992 trophy parading around Leeds Ciy Centre was terrible to watch. When we went up in 1984 I remember reading that we would win the title in 1988. Because he went to Leeds it took Howard another 4 years. 

Imo he could have been our Shankly, Busby or Clough. 

 

It was our big chance. 

our own supporters were fooled into wanting an end to wilkinson's reign.

they were told they wanted 'football' not the stuff wilkinson's side played, so he took it to l**ds.

even now when we play the pigs you can hear one team after the other shouting 'HOOF' as soon as anyone on either side puts his foot through the ball, that in itself is continually self defeating.

add to that sheffield should only have one football club for a city of it's size, with an interest of around 45/50kpw, however i'm not sure of pig playoff attendances, but look at ours millenium stadium and wembley, they'll turn out for major games in numbers, sadly not week in, week out, too many other things going on, too few 'committed' fans, too few good winning sides from either club.

i'll say it again, sheffield should only have ONE football club, they could call it 'THE WEDNESDAY'.