SallyCinnamon Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 hours ago, nldowl said: It’s down to the medical team and player when they return from injury... not a coach Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 hours ago, nldowl said: It’s down to the medical team and player when they return from injury... not a coach its clearly down to all 3, player ,medical,team and manager , for instance lees thinks he is ready now,medical team do,but jos may not want to rush him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nldowl Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently. Funny that happens to be the same physio whose actions last year made Tom Lee’s injury worse by not doing what was asked of him by the coaches 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster_owl Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 hours ago, @owlstalk said: The manager wanted me to get some minutes under my belt and I was more than willing to play with the Under-23s. I've got to cease reading too many between the lines, haven't I?! :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Let's not start that again It's been done to death Plus this article doesn't clear Carlos of blame whatsoever. if anything it's the exact opposite. Let's not start this again you say, then you carry on blaming Carlos.... make your mind up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Perhaps Tom Lees thought he had to.play through injury or risk being banished to the reserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Yeah says a lot that sentence Without actually naming names we all know exactly what he means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 12 hours ago, York_Owl said: And quite rightly, he's the manager. His job is to manage the players including their fitness, injuries etc. Most players would probably say they are OK to play even if they are carrying an injury (as with Tom Lees). A good manager should know when to play and when not to play one of their players. We've got to stop saying this. A player's availability is the responsibility of the medical team and the player himself, not the manager. That is the scenario at all clubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 hours ago, handworth52 said: its clearly down to all 3, player ,medical,team and manager , for instance lees thinks he is ready now,medical team do,but jos may not want to rush him back. No a manager cannot decide. Think about it for goodness sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said: We've got to stop saying this. A player's availability is the responsibility of the medical team and the player himself, not the manager. That is the scenario at all clubs. Who manages the players and the medical team? who picks the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently. Not true and if it were it doesn't say much about a physio who would allow himself to be overruled. The same physio who oversaw Tom's breakdown last season - his bitter comments have little validity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, York_Owl said: Who manages the players and the medical team? who picks the team? But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team. Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said: But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team. Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that. What if he just sacks the medical team and bring in a new one more in line with his way of thinking? You may also be passed fit to play even tho you are carrying an injury. It’s the managers call whether to play him or not. Also if the manager gets the recruitment right and the balance of the squad right there should be no need to pick a player carrying an injury. Tom Lees in particular seemed to play in pretty much every game. Where’s the player management there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said: But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team. Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that. Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, scram said: Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play true that ......was once in rovrums dressing room and according to the star albert Bennett was supposedly due a fitness test ...he came in and danny Williams said how you feel albert , I feel good boss , right said danny get yer boots your playin ......that the medical man carried a sponge in bucket may have swayed danny thoughts though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Bigaltheowl said: and most were putting the blame on carlos Um, that's an odd , 180 degrees-off reading of Lees's statement. If anything, it gives credence to what a lot of us suspected the staff was doing... Edited February 17, 2018 by Socialist_Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 hours ago, scram said: Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit. Perhaps a little injection will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 9 hours ago, scram said: Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play That's the player making the decision not the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 hour ago, oldishowl said: And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit. Perhaps a little injection will help But a manager cannot make that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 hour ago, oldishowl said: And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit. Perhaps a little injection will help that's how they got prendo onto the pitch and it just about crippled him in later life ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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