Owl roe Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, sibon said: Simon used to live up the road from me. I spent a lot of time trying to get him to join my cricket club as he was a handy player. I never persuaded him though. Shame, as he’s a really nice guy. i saw him on the South Stand a few games ago with a group of suits. I presumed that he was doing some hospitality work. Yes SIBON all true. He signed my pint pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Trevor Francis ruined Wednesday? Well for me he's well down the list of people culpable for our decline Richards being top of it trevor only did well with big rons team? Well big Ron got big rons team relegated, great manager but still took a team with Sheridan,Hirst,palmer,Nilsson and several other good players down and Trevor brought in waddle, bright,warhurst,Bart Williams,walker and others who were superb players for us and helped us play some of the best football I've seen at hillsborough yes he made mistakes woods being one he had lots of bad luck no one could have predicted the previously excellent sinton would turn out as it did and the injuries were unbelievable overall trev was a good manager who would have been foolish not to use the bulk of the squad he inherited and improved it we've definitely had far more complicant managers in our downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl roe Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I met Tricky after his tearful speech at the Town Hall after the ARSENIL fiasco in 93. He so MUCH wanted us to win the league but his wife ran out of fur clothes and he was never the same after. TRUE STORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: It's an odd one. I was more upset by his departure at that time than almost anything else in my life. Which is stupid of course. But that's how football gets you isn't it. But it's because we were on the cusp isn't it? We knew we were building. There was was a feeling. A sensation. We knew before we even went to Wembley that we'd win. I knew it before I got on the bus. Many others have said the same. The stars weeder aligned. It wasn't even the best performance of the season. But we knew. We were going up too. And not just to make the numbers up. We knew we we'd be going up to challenge, not make up the numbers. The premier League was in the process of being formed for the following season after our return and like the idea or not we needed to be at the top table. The world was going to change forever and we'd timed one of our peaks perfectly and had in charge one of the best managers in the business who was already putting together a squad of great players. A few more additions and we could take on all comers. That's why the tears, from me, a grown man. We knew. We knew. And we knew he'd go. I've thought about this over the years and I think the man was genuinely torn. Because he must have known something special was happening. Any other club... he wouldn't have gone. I don't think. I think of the position he was in. His boyhood club, Villa. He was 53 . He'd turned down the chance to go there twice before. When would the chance come again? I imagine if it was me, at Villa and Wednesday came calling. Would I be able to resist? I don't think I could. The draw would be too much. I think it's one of the hardest decisions he'll have ever have had to have made. He shoulders it for it being the start of the evening out of our upward trajectory. But I can't blame him for what happened after. Oh how I hoped Trevor would come in and do well. We'd heard horror stories about his time at QPR but he must have learnt after being in that dressing room we had. It needed just tickling along. Maybe another striker in the next bracket. A club record £1.2m on a 32 year old keeper in Woods. A signing of intention true enough. But a goalkeeper? Really? When we had Turner and Pressman? Alarm bells from day one from me I'm afraid. I loved the football we played under Trevor. It was quicker and more direct than under Ron...but still proper football. That night at Blackburn....will live long. But there was a naivety to it too. The Blunts games in th3 first season. A couple of absolute hammerings . The 6-1 a couple of 7-1's and 2s. They wouldn't have happened under Ron. There's few things so sure in my mind. I know some of the old gaurd needed moving on. But the way that the likes of Shirtliff and Harkes were binned off. Letting people know they're leaving by telling them not to sit on the team photo? No. Not for me. Pearson - replaced with Andy Pearce. Andy bloody Pearce! "Past his best Pearson." Yeah.... Three years down the line Pearson has led Middlesbrough to promotion and 3 domestic cup finals. So much for past it. Andy Pearce meanwhile after having chumps sing his name as some cult hero because he scored against the pigs couldn't get a game for Wimbledon and ended up in the Isthmian league in the same time span. He gave us Waddle. For which I will always be grateful. He also gave us Pearce and Coleman. Letting Palmer go after asking him to play on the wing. The whole way that Phil King was treated and blamed for the Arsenal hammering. Walker was a great signing. Asking Carlton Palmer to play on the wing so Chris Bart Williams could play centre midfield ...leading to the player leaving. Barmy. Pleat I never took to. He made some awful ricks. But the writing was on the wall for us as soon as Ron went. Those two cup finals. Would we really have lost both? Not a chance. I like Trevor . But as as manager...no... too many gaffes. Simple gaffes. It just needed tickling along with some sensible additions....slow movement of the older lads and a bit of nous. Worthing and King eased out. Nolan the most one footed left back I've seen. And it was his right foot! Sibton. Nearly £3m. Three million! I'd sent a scout report not 3 month earlier about Trevor Sinclair at Blackpool. But no. If you'd had had an intentional cap, you'd be welcome at Wembley. I think that's what it was. Proving we could beat Arsenal at something. Anything. Even if it was the signing of Sibton. Proofs in the pudding. Look where all these players when post Wednesday....down, down, down. And quickly. We went hell for leather like a man woth no arms. It's not about being a genius. It's not about throwing the checkbook open. It's just about knowing how to deal with men. Man management. And I'll tell you as your out other thing chaps.....my phones dying. .wish I had a computer.... because I could go all night....and I haven't even started properly on Pleat yet! this is brilliant Snoots. I truly believe Ron would have brought us a title and the FA cup..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, BRADDO said: this is brilliant Snoots. I truly believe Ron would have brought us a title and the FA cup..... Predictive text garbled much of it. But hopefully the main points got through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Predictive text garbled much of it. But hopefully the main points got through! Let's have the rest then! Onto Mr Pleat please....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl roe Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Saves me sending out clap clinic letters ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 hours ago, oli1980 said: No Francis then there wouldn't have been a Waddle in a Wednesday shirt Or a Des Walker or Chris Woods and didn't he sign Warhurst as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I’ve argued this before and been told that Francis and Wilson ruined Wednesday But I’ve always felt the biggest culprit was Pleat An absolute car crash of a manager with us Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Williams Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, Utah Owl said: Or a Des Walker or Chris Woods and didn't he sign Warhurst as well? Yes and Mark Bright, etc But Waddle is by far and away the very best player I have ever seen play for Wednesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Williams Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 That would never happened with Ron as the manager, I personally think its a bit harsh given the achevements Francis made in his first few years, It was only when he had to try and make wholesale squad replacements with no money he came unstuck. That was more down to Dave Richards, Who then went on to give Pleat the charterhouse money to spunk away on poo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstyno9 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 17 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Francis ruined Sheffield Wednesday I think you'll find it was David Pleat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattagit Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Simon Coleman was up to a couple of years ago (may still be) a PE teacher at Garabaldi school Mansfield (well Clipstone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Simon Coleman was out of his depth at Wednesday. Think he played a chunk of his career at Mansfield which was more his level. I don't think you can blame one individual or event on Wednesday decline. Mistake made by Francis, Pleat, Wilson all contributed but probably overall Dave Richards had to share most of the blame as he was in charge of hiring and firing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Coleman was a rubbish but Francis did make some excellent signings, Waddle, Bright, Walker, Whittingham and many more, he did make the odd mistake in transfer market like signing Coleman but remember he was a young manager who had just finished playing himself. His decision to move Warhurst from back to striker was a masterstroke, he'll always be remembered as a great manager for me, I still think it was embarrassing when kop was chanting for his head after finishing mid table in Premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 11:53, Lord Snooty said: Clock ticking till first "Middle of Prem , two cup finals, I'll take that sort of ruin" post Try a third place finish as well. He signed Chris Waddle. Hardly ruined Sheffield Wednesday did he... Might have lost the plot towards the end of his tenure but let’s not re wrote history and say he ruined us. See Dave Richards and David Pleat for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, ramone said: Try a third place finish as well. He signed Chris Waddle. Hardly ruined Sheffield Wednesday did he... Might have lost the plot towards the end of his tenure but let’s not re wrote history and say he ruined us. See Dave Richards and David Pleat for that... Never said he ruined us. That was Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Lord Snooty said: Never said he ruined us. That was Neil. I know you didn't and I read your excellent post (the long one) afterwards which was bang on the money. I read the post i replied to and thought you were stating that Francis was no good as you said 'wait for the 2 cup finals etc....' remark. It implied to me that you agreed with him in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/12/2017 at 11:46, @owlstalk said: Francis ruined Sheffield Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ramone said: I know you didn't and I read your excellent post (the long one) afterwards which was bang on the money. I read the post i replied to and thought you were stating that Francis was no good as you said 'wait for the 2 cup finals etc....' remark. It implied to me that you agreed with him in some way. Francis did a lot of good things. Waddle, Walker, etc. I just think it was too much too soon, and that on the upwards trajectory we were on a more experienced hand at the tiller might have taken us to the next level. Edited November 13, 2017 by Lord Snooty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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