Ibbo48 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, welsOwl74 said: cant we keep sam and give them clueless carlos 1 minute ago, ScrappyOwl said: Hardly surprising that he is enjoying himself given how poorly Carlos treated him Why not just go on the countless Carlos out threads ? Youve not added anything worthwhile to this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ibbo48 said: Why not just go on the countless Carlos out threads ? Youve not added anything worthwhile to this one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrappyOwl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ibbo48 said: Why not just go on the countless Carlos out threads ? Youve not added anything worthwhile to this one Do you think Carlos's decision to play Big Dave ahead of Winnall against Huddersfield in the semi was a good one or is Winnall entitled to be a bit hacked off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbo48 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, ScrappyOwl said: Do you think Carlos's decision to play Big Dave ahead of Winnall against Huddersfield in the semi was a good one or is Winnall entitled to be a bit hacked off? Look mate. I didn’t think it was a good decision in that game. Ok ? What does my head in is the people that use every thread as an excuse to beat up Carlos. Until last weekend Winnalls loan at Derby had not been a great success and you’ve even got a Derby fan saying the same. Now all of a sudden cos he’s scored 3 ( 1 pen ) in a week its clueless Carlos fault for letting this prolific striker go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodys Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Didn’t personally rate winnall any better than say Joao based on what he did with us but credit to him you can’t knock his record before and after. Think the only way we would see him in our shirt again is under a different gaffer. Still don’t rate him above hooper fletcher or Rhodes though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ibbo48 said: Look mate. I didn’t think it was a good decision in that game. Ok ? What does my head in is the people that use every thread as an excuse to beat up Carlos. Until last weekend Winnalls loan at Derby had not been a great success and you’ve even got a Derby fan saying the same. Now all of a sudden cos he’s scored 3 ( 1 pen ) in a week its clueless Carlos fault for letting this prolific striker go. How many players have flourished under Carlito? Not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbo48 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: How many players have flourished under Carlito? Not many. Bannan, Lee, Lees, Westwood, off the top but I think you could say that about loads of managers. When results aren’t the best then everything’s rubbish. Put a few wins together and it’s different. This threads about Winnall and everything I’ve said I stand by. He scores a couple of goals after a singularly unspectacular loan spell and you’re all on Carlos back. I personally find all the vitriol towards him distasteful and disrespectful. On the whole his time here has been good. Ok it’s soured recently and no I’m not convinced that he can finish the job but I believe he deserves the chance at least and also he deserves a bit of respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Good luck to the lad. Seems he has found a manager who plays to his strengths and values him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrappyOwl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Ibbo48 said: Look mate. I didn’t think it was a good decision in that game. Ok ? What does my head in is the people that use every thread as an excuse to beat up Carlos. Until last weekend Winnalls loan at Derby had not been a great success and you’ve even got a Derby fan saying the same. Now all of a sudden cos he’s scored 3 ( 1 pen ) in a week its clueless Carlos fault for letting this prolific striker go. Not beating up Carlos mate, simply stating that in my opinion, Winnall was not given a fair crack of the whip by Carlos. In my opinion Carlos has his favourites and Sam was not one of them and the fact that he is probably happy and enjoying his football at Derby seems to be a problem for some, which I think is unfair on the lad.I don't believe most Owls wanted Winnall to be loaned out as he always gave his all on the few occasions he was given the shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbo48 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 minute ago, ScrappyOwl said: Not beating up Carlos mate, simply stating that in my opinion, Winnall was not given a fair crack of the whip by Carlos. In my opinion Carlos has his favourites and Sam was not one of them and the fact that he is probably happy and enjoying his football at Derby seems to be a problem for some, which I think is unfair on the lad.I don't believe most Owls wanted Winnall to be loaned out as he always gave his all on the few occasions he was given the shirt Can’t argue with you when you put it like that. I think when I quoted you I was more hacked off with the other poster so please accept my apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrappyOwl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Ibbo48 said: Can’t argue with you when you put it like that. I think when I quoted you I was more hacked off with the other poster so please accept my apologies No problem mate its good the have debate. WAWAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 The article doesn’t really come across as him being ‘well up’ for leaving us. Sounds more like somebody who is being honest about the transition, his current experiences and what the future might hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britpunk77 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 hours ago, acquiescefc said: And one of them was a penalty Penalties don’t count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 He's always been a bit of a c*nt according to someone that went to school with him. No loss, I've seen better first touches in U7 football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 8 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: We already have Hooper, Fletcher, Rhodes, Joao, Forestieri and Nuhiu. We have to trim the squad and a striker needs to go, we have too many. We paid £500k for Winnall and if he carries on scoring as he is, he could be the answer to our FFP problems. A good spell at Derby could see us make a tidy £3-£4m profit on him. IMO he’s not as good as Hooper, or Rhodes. Nando, Fletcher and Joao all offer something different, it’s a no brainer for me, let him go if the price is right. Rubbish. Fletcher should have gone in the swap. Hoopers mate. Nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 5 hours ago, ScrappyOwl said: Hardly surprising that he is enjoying himself given how poorly Carlos treated him Agree. But let's play Fletcher . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, samowl said: Rubbish. Fletcher should have gone in the swap. Hoopers mate. Nothing else. Just my opinion pal, nothing more. I believe Fletcher is more dominant in the air, better with the ball at his feet and more of a handful for defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 OK I get it, he likes it at Derby and doesn't want to come back to Hillsborough. Just thinking, if we sold Forestieri to Derby would he still love it there? Not suggesting we should sell FF to Derby, just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls4effa Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 How many people will be saying good luck to the lad if he scores the goals to get Derby into top 6 & we don't. 10million wold be a pittance to them should they reach the Prem. And who says it's all down to Carlos whether we let him go or not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Just my opinion pal, nothing more. I believe Fletcher is more dominant in the air, better with the ball at his feet and more of a handful for defenders. I don't think Fletcher is dominant in the air at all But that's a different issue. Winnall is quicker off the mark Less predictable . Just wasn't one of Cc's favourites . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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