Dagmeister Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Hooper's a very good player when he's in the mood, but my god the way some of our fans talk about him is bizarre. It's like he's the 2nd coming of Waddle Hardly but like I say probably our best player at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just now, Dagmeister said: Hardly but like I say probably our best player at the moment. Probably yes. Him or Bannan at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Carlos won't change his 442... till we are 1-0 down and he goes for his 4-1-4 formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Then the deal wont make sense Butterfield will no doubt play on the wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Toronto_Owl said: Get rid of a proven goal scorer when we can't score for poo and trade him for a risky midfielder. hmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Personally think our lack of goals is more to do with tactics/approach/general team mindset than striker personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Probably yes. Him or Bannan at the mo. Yes Bannen has been a highlight so far this season (and in the home play off leg). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lees Tom Cat Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'm more concerned about who Fernando is going to use as a punch bag in training now he's gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Butterfield will no doubt play on the wing Quite possibly but it's no laughing matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I think Butterfield will surprise a few. Hasn't worked out for him at Derby, but he's a really good footballer. Can do a bit of everything and if he can perform at the level he managed at Huddersfield, he'll improve us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 54 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Hooper's a very good player when he's in the mood, but my god the way some of our fans talk about him is bizarre. It's like he's the 2nd coming of Waddle He runs like he's towing a caravan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 6 hours ago, SheffWed-1867 said: He won't change a thing, 4-4-2 We'll have Bannan stuck out on the left again before you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philswiz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, 1993swfc said: Carlos won't change his 442... till we are 1-0 down and he goes for his 4-1-4 formation. 4-1-4, the good old DA days....:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Good deal for Derby they are laughing at us . Butterfield has not been a good player for 2-3 years it's like saying abdi will come good as it's same with him. Miracles might happen and he might do well for us but judging derby forum it's unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I keep reading how Winnall is 5th choice despite him doing more and looking more confident than Rhodes and Forestieri this season. Its clear CC doesn't rate him as highly as others because he is quite raw and doesn't bother trying to overplay, he just does something novel like stepping forward and having a shot. Another example of stubbornness from our manager, dropping a player who is performing in favour of those who are not. I dont think it's a particularly good deal as Winnall was a breath of fresh air on the pitch (unless he wasn't off it) but given that we needed to do the same spring clean in midfield it looks as if we were in the last chance saloon. I do rate butterfield however and he will add something we miss When Hutchinson doesn't play. The positive is that it is only a loan deal and if CCs approach ultimately sees him move on, at least the new manager still has Winnall on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Toronto_Owl said: I completely agree, and when Carlos's leaves the clappers will see the goals fly in. However tactics or not, selling a proven finisher isn't going to help us. sorry, but I just feel so flipping negative with the club management and football being served up at the moment. Yes, Winnall is an example of the kind of player we should be looking to sign, up and coming and a fantastic goal scoring record across the divisions. When the manager had the courage to play him he has generally done well and even if he hasn't scored (it does take him a few chances) we generally seem more lively. The only times he has looked redundant is when we launch the ball at him. We have mis-used a promising player and it is very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoyBeevers Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Hooper's a very good player when he's in the mood, but my god the way some of our fans talk about him is bizarre. It's like he's the 2nd coming of Waddle I know you're not a huge fan of Hooper, but Westwood, Lees, Bannan and Hooper is probably the best spine in the division. Wouldn't swap them for any other four off the top of my head. It's the rest of the team and how it fits together that is concerning- ive got zero doubts that those four are good enough for a top 2 team though. Edited September 1, 2017 by TheBoyBeevers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Team v forest westwood van aken lees venancio hunt bannan butterfield reach ff hooper fletch/Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Or westy hunt lees van aken reach jones bannan ff butterfield hooper fletch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 With current injuries/recoveries/apparent form taken into account (except Loovens - not sure where he's at but heard he's basically ok...two able stand-ins now if not, anyway), my starting line-up if we had a game tomorrow would probably be something like below. Not much to pick between Reach and Pudil on current form, but both wingbacks would need to get up and down the line a LOT in this formation, so I've gone with Reach. Possibly very different again when we've got Lee, Abdi, Rhodes, Hutch etc all fully fit and firing, or if Boyd/Wallace find form, or Matias turns out to be real. Plenty of room for those players in this sort of setup, but positions would need tweaking a fair bit. This one relies quite heavily on Butterfield being able to put a tackle in as well as feed Hooper - would likely need a rethink if that's not his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0rtherner Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Winnall is a good player, there's no doubting that. However we all know that Carlos, for whatever reason, did not like him. The fact he left him at home for trips to Preston, Fulham and Burton and had Nuhiu on the bench instead told us as much. He was wasted here, we have let a player go who would have featured (rightly or wrongly) no more than 15 times IMO. We have replaced him with someone who can give us energy in the midfield, something we miss with Kieran Lee being injured. He gives us a better option, and both deals for me point towards a change in formation too. I'm guessing it will be a 4-1-2-3. That, for me, should be our lineup. This swap benefits everyone, I think it will be good for us although it is disappointing losing Winnall. Butterfield's number is a guess btw You left out Hooper... THAT is worrysome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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