owler66 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 New season new slate every player starts from square one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Rockets starting to remind me of Ian and his vendetta against Nuihu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, owler66 said: New season new slate every player starts from square one Good, at least Lewis McGugan will give the forwards better service than they got this time around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Good, at least Lewis McGugan will give the forwards better service than they got this time around Silly remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 6 hours ago, RocketOwl said: Thanks for your input. You are boring though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: You are boring though So are you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 7 hours ago, RocketOwl said: "We don't play to Rhodes strengths and get crosses into the box". Take a look at Steven Fletcher goals in the last 10 games - majority from crosses. From memory - Huddersfield playoffs (Header from cross), Derby Home (Header from Cross) Newcastle at home (Fletcher and Lees from crosses).Hooper against Derby also from a cross. Any responses to how Fletcher seems to be scoring from crosses into the box? Cheers. So what you're saying is Jordan Rhodes, a striker who throughout his career has averaged a goal every other game at this level, a striker who over the last 6 seasons is the most prolific at this level, a striker who at his age should be in the peak years of his career, comes to Wednesday and suddenly stops scoring but we ARE playing to his strengths? Ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 40 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: So what you're saying is Jordan Rhodes, a striker who throughout his career has averaged a goal every other game at this level, a striker who over the last 6 seasons is the most prolific at this level, a striker who at his age should be in the peak years of his career, comes to Wednesday and suddenly stops scoring but we ARE playing to his strengths? Ok then. I don't think anyone would say that mate, but this is the way we roll, we don't play any other way, so why sign him. A pointless, and extravagant signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, A12owl said: Perhaps it would be worth waiting till he has had a full pre season and a change of tactics by CC . Both you and Rocketowl have had it in for JR since he signed. That would be lovely, though you would have thought we might have tried that when we signed him. Maybe if we'd played a different way, we wouldn't have needed him in the first place My main gripe is, the money should have been spent on someone who fits the way we play When it comes to Jordan Rhodes, it's all ifs and buts. That's a far cry from the earlier consensus, that he'd tear the division a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, gurujuan said: That would be lovely, though you would have thought we might have tried that when we signed him. Maybe if we'd played a different way, we wouldn't have needed him in the first place My main gripe is, the money should have been spent on someone who fits the way we play When it comes to Jordan Rhodes, it's all ifs and buts. That's a far cry from the earlier consensus, that he'd tear the division a new one. Which striker, in your view, suits the way we play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencerowl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Wednesday fans eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, A12owl said: Is it JR's fault or our tactics that he hasnt scored more goals? How many shots on and off target has he had? Somebody will know. No, it absolutely isn't Jordan Rhodes fault, it's clear our tactics don't suit him It was clear to me when we first moved for him, and it should have been clear to whoever does our recruiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, A12owl said: Is it JR's fault or our tactics that he hasnt scored more goals? How many shots on and off target has he had? Somebody will know. Rhodes / 26 shots / 15 on target / 3 goals FF / 88 shots / 45 on target / 10 goals Fletch / 56 shots / 20 on target / 9 goals Hooper / 18 shots / 14 on target / 5 goals Winnall / 23 shots / 8 on target / 3 goals ( 37 / 19 / 11 for Barnsley) (Pens not incl) Edited June 10, 2017 by Holmowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I don't think anyone would say that mate, but this is the way we roll, we don't play any other way, so why sign him. A pointless, and extravagant signing I don't think the problem is a lack of crosses (although we could do with getting a few more into the box), the problem is that we are just painfully slow at getting forwards, Rhodes plays off the shoulder, it's no good us taking too many passes from side to side as we try to get forward, by the time we get to the edge of the box it's usually too crowded, the entire back line plus a couple of midfielders are usually back by then and it's making Rhodes job all the more difficult. I'm not saying he's the answer but if we'd have had a player like Jermaine Johnson as an option last season, with the option of pace in an attacking position and had we used that option, I dare say Rhodes would have got more goals and perhaps his confidence wouldn't have been shot when it came to the shootout against Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, A12owl said: You are not that stupid. You know what the point is. You give him too much credit he's proved himself in the stupidity stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: I don't think the problem is a lack of crosses (although we could do with getting a few more into the box), the problem is that we are just painfully slow at getting forwards, Rhodes plays off the shoulder, it's no good us taking too many passes from side to side as we try to get forward, by the time we get to the edge of the box it's usually too crowded, the entire back line plus a couple of midfielders are usually back by then and it's making Rhodes job all the more difficult. I'm not saying he's the answer but if we'd have had a player like Jermaine Johnson as an option last season, with the option of pace in an attacking position and had we used that option, I dare say Rhodes would have got more goals and perhaps his confidence wouldn't have been shot when it came to the shootout against Huddersfield. Yep, you're bang right, we are painfully slow, and generally don't commit enough bodies into the box It isn't good for Jordan Rhodes, and it isn't good for any of our other strikers either. It is, however, the way we play though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Rhodes / 26 shots / 15 on target / 3 goals FF / 88 shots / 45 on target / 10 goals Fletch / 56 shots / 20 on target / 9 goals Hooper / 18 shots / 14 on target / 5 goals Winnall / 23 shots / 8 on target / 3 goals ( 37 / 19 / 11 for Barnsley) (Pens not incl) Are they genuine? REET stats from Hooper, such a shame he missed a fair chunk of the season. Quality player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, A12owl said: Then why do you and Rocket continually criticise him.? I don't, I mainly criticise the buying of him. Can I just ask you, you've watched us and know how we play, so what do you think the thinking was behind the decision to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 minute ago, A12owl said: Good stats Holmowl. Dont know where you got them from so quickly. Proves that Hooper is our best striker. Many have been saying this for a while. Courtesy of the Beeb. Google BBC Sheff Wed top scorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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