bradowl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 SAG reduced allocation for Bradford yesterday to 2,200 for bramall lane lower tier, Bradford had requested full allocation of 3,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eguin Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 hours ago, owls maniac said: Also took about 15 minutes to exit the stand due to it bottlenecking on the concourse. If there was an emergency that stand would be a death trap. Yes thats correct, even worse if someone had f@rted as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelknievel Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Ian said: What a stupid stupid post..really?....more cramped ta Hillsborough ever has been?....and when you say "nothing happened" yesterday, what do you mean by that because I'm aware of things that "happened" yesterday The issue is that the SAG of Sheffield Council seem to be taking any concerns they have about Hillsborough to the extreme. Hillsborough is not danagerous. Anyone who has been to a full capacity Hillsborough in the 90's and 2000's know this as there wasn't any issues with concourses back then and a need for crazy crowd segregation. I remember being sat in the T section ripping it out of sheff u fans who were sat in the lower lep with no problems. I don't go to many away games each season, but those I have been to have been far worse then anything I've ever seen at Hillsborough ever. Burm last year the police squeezed us in to the middle of the stand so we had to stand on the gangways and Leeds this year, we were easily as close to the Leeds fans as those on the T section of the North would be the lower lep. Thats the big issue with all this it just doesn't seem consistent and that leads to people thinking legacy issues like the 1989 disaster are unnecessary influencing decisions, especially since the recent inquest where many of the organisations who form the SAG were blamed for the disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroswfc Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Tight squeeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 10 hours ago, jamsandwich said: Absolute farce in the QPR concourses today. How SAG have got the cheek to reign us in when conditions like that are allowed week in week out. The reason being SAG have an agenda , a vendetta against Wednesday . simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Ian said: I'm confused.....you say it was a farce at QPR yet still seem to be having a pop at SAG.....are you saying you want it to be an absolute farce at Hillsborough as well. Your post and pictures prove what a good job SAG do in not allowing the farcical situation you talk about to occur at Hillsborough Elf and safety regulations are the same all around the country, in every football stadium. So the fact we are being penalised ,when others arnt tells you SAG are NOT just applying the rules and regs , they are going way beyond that because its Hillsbro. Only a member of SAG would say they are being fair . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Elf and safety regulations are the same all around the country, in every football stadium. So the fact we are being penalised ,when others arnt tells you SAG are NOT just applying the rules and regs , they are going way beyond that because its Hillsbro. Only a member of SAG would say they are being fair . This is so true. It's only the interpretation of those rules that varies. I have visited several of the older football stadia where concourse congestion is far worse than Hillsborough. The fact is though that a major incident occurred at Hillsborough and not at the other places. Fortunately (or unfortunately) depending on your viewpoint those same authorities that had most responsibility for the disaster are powerful enough to make sure it can't happen a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Owl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 hours ago, bradowl said: SAG reduced allocation for Bradford yesterday to 2,200 for bramall lane lower tier, Bradford had requested full allocation of 3,000. Still with Blavdes fans sat within 10 feet butty/pissbottle chucking distance of Bradford fans in the John Street - Bramall Lane corner... SAG are a travesty of a mockery of a sham - zero consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 People who support the SAG need banning from Hillsborough. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 This is our West Stand Upper Concourse pre-match at a game against Bolton in 2012. That day there were 2400 fans housed in the West Stand Upper - a stand that accomodates 4164. So just over half full. Looks just as crammed as the concourse at QPR - in their Upper Tier they can accomodate just 1,500. It was twice as full as normal in that QPR concourse as all fans were being forced to exit one way - there was a stairway at the other end of the stand which could have been used to evacuate twice as fast if necessary. This isn't about sticking up for SAG - as some of the more mentalist posters are suggesting - its about realism. Our facilities are absolutely dogshite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Blatter said: Fortunately (or unfortunately) depending on your viewpoint those same authorities that had most responsibility for the disaster are powerful enough to make sure it can't happen a second time. Are you really suggesting that some people may have a viewpoint that thinks it's unfortunate that there are people and bodies with the power to stop the disaster happening for a second time? do you know these people?....are you one of them?.....and there's people in this thread saying those supporting SAG should be banned from Hillsborough.....But those people you allude to are ok are they disgraceful Edited April 18, 2017 by Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Grandad said: This is our West Stand Upper Concourse pre-match at a game against Bolton in 2012. That day there were 2400 fans housed in the West Stand Upper - a stand that accomodates 4164. So just over half full. Looks just as crammed as the concourse at QPR - in their Upper Tier they can accomodate just 1,500. It was twice as full as normal in that QPR concourse as all fans were being forced to exit one way - there was a stairway at the other end of the stand which could have been used to evacuate twice as fast if necessary. This isn't about sticking up for SAG - as some of the more mentalist posters are suggesting - its about realism. Our facilities are absolutely dogshite Id suggest you are in a tiny minority on this issue . The majority of us can plainly see SAG have a nasty vendetta against Wednesday . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ian said: Are you really suggesting that some people may have a viewpoint that thinks it's unfortunate that there are people and bodies with the power to stop the disaster happening for a second time? do you know these people?....are you one of them?.....and there's people in this thread saying those supporting SAG should be banned from Hillsborough.....But those people you allude to are ok are they disgraceful Its got nothing to do with stopping another disaster. How is cutting our capacity in an all seater stadium , with no fences going to stop a disaster that happened because there were fences on the stands. ? SAG are faceless jobsworths who hide behind Elf and safety because they havnt got a clue how to manage a football crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Those photo's show a scene of an accident waiting to happen, can't see any relevance to SAG though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Its got nothing to do with stopping another disaster. How is cutting our capacity in an all seater stadium , with no fences going to stop a disaster that happened because there were fences on the stands. ? SAG are faceless jobsworths who hide behind Elf and safety because they havnt got a clue how to manage a football crowd. It's Blatter you need to answer that question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 31 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said: Those photo's show a scene of an accident waiting to happen, can't see any relevance to SAG though. The relevance to SAG is that they stop this happening at Hillsborough.....which some people apparently think is a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Grandad said: This is our West Stand Upper Concourse pre-match at a game against Bolton in 2012. That day there were 2400 fans housed in the West Stand Upper - a stand that accomodates 4164. So just over half full. Looks just as crammed as the concourse at QPR - in their Upper Tier they can accomodate just 1,500. It was twice as full as normal in that QPR concourse as all fans were being forced to exit one way - there was a stairway at the other end of the stand which could have been used to evacuate twice as fast if necessary. This isn't about sticking up for SAG - as some of the more mentalist posters are suggesting - its about realism. Our facilities are absolutely dogshite Last time I was in that upper tier was when we played and beat Derby 3-1 in early 80s. Its probably only time I've sat up there and I haven't got a clue why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ian said: The relevance to SAG is that they stop this happening at Hillsborough.....which some people apparently think is a bad thing 38k full house v Wycombe Now capacity is 33k , but the concourses are the same as v Wycombe . Now tell me why SAG allowed 38k v Wycombe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBloodedOwl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 SAG have to follow strict guidelines. I thing this should help a lot of people on here understand the reasoning's for decisions that have been made: http://www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/green-guide.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 13 hours ago, modboy said: So we are saying just because our SAG are rightly cautious we should use clubs with worse facilities as a benchmark? Why rightly cautious? I think it highlights that they're overly cautious but sadly they're is still nothing that can be done as respective SAG's assess each public event on a case by case basis. Besides, that's not a concourse it's a gangway. Any competent H&S body should insist that their TV's come out and refreshment stalls are closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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