Guest Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Maybe it's just a case of Wednesday valuing Hirst at £3m/£4m and the Hirst 'team' are asking for wages in line with such a valuation. If other clubs are offering such money, the situation could get toxic. Difficult to argue against such a wage request, and it will interesting to see what kind of clauses, if any, we have in the contract. I would argue that the value would be based on his best years being ahead of him and his future sell on worth, that doesn't mean his wages at 18 having not made a single start in a professional league should reflect that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I would argue that the value would be based on his best years being ahead of him and his future sell on worth, that doesn't mean his wages at 18 having not made a single start in a professional league should reflect that now. Don't underestimate how much money these Premier League clubs have. A £3m and £20k per wk gamble is nothing, for an English player who is very close to the top of his peer group. I think restrictions will come in soon where clubs need a minimum quota of English players in the team, and this will push the prices higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Tongue in cheek. Just think your post was gonna provoke a lot of questions/reaction and people are unlikely to "leave it at that". Oh right, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Don't underestimate how much money these Premier League clubs have. A £3m and £20k per wk gamble is nothing, for an English player who is very close to the top of his peer group. I think restrictions will come in soon where clubs need a minimum quota of English players in the team, and this will push the prices higher. I completely agree with you, being saying exactly that in another thread. I thought you were suggesting that Wednesday should pay him a wage now in line with the valuation to keep him - something we simply can't afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I don't understand your reply. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Don't underestimate how much money these Premier League clubs have. A £3m and £20k per wk gamble is nothing, for an English player who is very close to the top of his peer group. I think restrictions will come in soon where clubs need a minimum quota of English players in the team, and this will push the prices higher. Plus Brexit of course, which may mean non full internationals from current eu partners cannot come in. We need to keep hold of hirst for another 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC1Owl Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) You might validly argue that George would be better off at e.g. City or Chelsea, even if his ultimate future isn't in their first team. And his immediate earning power would obviously increase. But, as far as I can tell, nobody made him sign a professional contract mere months ago. Edited April 13, 2017 by WC1Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I completely agree with you, being saying exactly that in another thread. I thought you were suggesting that Wednesday should pay him a wage now in line with the valuation to keep him - something we simply can't afford. There is an argument to say that we should, but as a football club we are not in that position, at present. It's a bit like Sam Winnall. The football food chain meant we won. Bigger club, bigger wages. If Everton or Arsenal do come in, Hirst goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Royds Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 What? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Eh? Me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC1Owl Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 There is an argument to say that we should, but as a football club we are not in that position, at present. It's a bit like Sam Winnall. The football food chain meant we won. Bigger club, bigger wages. If Everton or Arsenal do come in, Hirst goes. But what's the incentive to sell at this point? He's presumably not a big drain on the wage bill, and is potentially one good season in the Championship away from an eight figure valuation. Why would the club jeopardise that, especially now that they don't have another family member on the payroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 But what's the incentive to sell at this point? He's presumably not a big drain on the wage bill, and is potentially one good season in the Championship away from an eight figure valuation. Why would the club jeopardise that, especially now that they don't have another family member on the payroll? What is the length of his contract at the moment and what are the rules at that age if we don't want to sell. If the above are in our favour then I agree with you, that might be part of the reason his dad has fell out with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC1Owl Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Papers reported 2 1/2 years last spring. As he'll be under 24 when the contract expires, he still won't be able to register for another club without that club paying us compensation. While he's in contract, he's bound to us unless we release him or agree a transfer. As far as I can see, that's an exhaustive survey of the negotiating position. George has no leverage to get an improved contract or a move. he can't refuse to play for the first team because he's nowhere near the first team. He could refuse to play for the U23s, but who would care? Edited April 13, 2017 by WC1Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfoster Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 George hirst is one of best young players in the country. If his dad is trying to get him a move away then, sadly, I don't want his dad working for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 George hirst is one of best young players in the country. If his dad is trying to get him a move away then, sadly, I don't want his dad working for the club. A bit harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfoster Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 It's just so unprofessional. How can an academy coach think it's ok to work expressly against the club's best interests. Unbelievably bad judgment. And trust me, Hirst is my hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Papers reported 2 1/2 years last spring. As he'll be under 24 when the contract expires, he still won't be able to register for another club without that club paying us compensation. While he's in contract, he's bound to us unless we release him or agree a transfer. As far as I can see, that's an exhaustive survey of the negotiating position. George has no leverage to get an improved contract or a move. he can't refuse to play for the first team because he's nowhere near the first team. He could refuse to play for the U23s, but who would care? So he's got around 18 months left on his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 George hirst is one of best young players in the country. If his dad is trying to get him a move away then, sadly, I don't want his dad working for the club. Which bit of conflict of interest do you not understand...he can't work for the club and negotiate any contract for Gearge at the same time..it leaves him, the club and George open to any claims of wrong doing. To be fair he should have realised it before now as soon as he started to represent George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Pretty sure it is 100% speculation. Speculative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlZfan84 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 George Hirst to Barnsley. I've heard it all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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