torryowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: If Forstiero is in his best form who do you think is a better player in our team then. hutch ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: As a club we have now entered new (old) territory and with good players with big heads come problems we haven't really had to deal with for a long time. If FF suddenly finds his form again and his sole motivation is a move in January than we have to take what he gives us, hope that it improves our results (which are by no means terrible) and then sell the little fecker for as much as possible and replace him with the best that the money received can get us. No room for sentiment with badge kissing mercanaries if unfortunately that's how it ends. I think we'll win on Saturday! Agree with a lot of what you say. However as regards "and sell the little fecker for as much as possible replace with the best the money received can get us" is not at all likely to be possible. Let's say we get 5/6/7/8 million we can only replace with somebody who can fit into our own wage structure others keep saying this but I don't think it's remotely feasible. Paying big dosh to this years new signings (Fletcher) started the dressing room unrest and put FF into a tail spin. DC won't want that again. This is where I fear we are stymied and that our best scenario is a fully reintegrated Forestiero. I'd be prepared to agree with a lot of fans if he doesn't want to be here then he's no good to us be we absolutely don't know that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BRADFIELDOWLS Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 But we don't really know all what's gone off so let's not clobber our best player - by a mile. Remember Tommo, Cantona, Di Canio , Vardy et al. We just don't have enough quality currently to drive another top player away. It doesn't end well. And no one has yet come up with a reasonable reason why FF hasn't had a juicy contract extension like others, including Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, owlZfan84 said: If FF doesn't smash in a double hat-trick on Saturday certain individuals on here are going to be fuming. Who? Or are you just posting inflammatory nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Agree with a lot of what you say. However as regards "and sell the little fecker for as much as possible replace with the best the money received can get us" is not at all likely to be possible. Let's say we get 5/6/7/8 million we can only replace with somebody who can fit into our own wage structure others keep saying this but I don't think it's remotely feasible. Paying big dosh to this years new signings (Fletcher) started the dressing room unrest and put FF into a tail spin. DC won't want that again. This is where I fear we are stymied and that our best scenario is a fully reintegrated Forestiero. I'd be prepared to agree with a lot of fans if he doesn't want to be here then he's no good to us be we absolutely don't know that for sure. Don't mean to be contradictory. Other clubs seem to integrate high earners without much apparent problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 minute ago, torryowl said: hutch ...... Well torry respect your opinion. Love the guy best attitude of any player at he club (also said FF was best player in Champ) but don't believe even he would agree with you mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Don't mean to be contradictory. Other clubs seem to integrate high earners without much apparent problem. Matey you're not being contradictory. The point I'm making you clearly understand obviously, but as I've said several times bigger clubs with experienced owners /chairman, (I fully respect and admire DC) know about the knock on effects of contract situations and also have established pecking orders for players what happens with the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo also to a lesser extent happen in lower down leagues as well. Bring players in to a successful club on higher wages and it will kick off as it did. I know FF was mightily wrong in what he did but ask any supporter prior to the first game of the season if they would sanction a pay rise for Nando or risk losing him I'm willing to bet everyone would have said up his wages - unfortunately now it's too late cos no way will DC lose face. My worry is we won't replace him however much dosh we get but the bank balance wifi improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Agree with a lot of what you say. However as regards "and sell the little fecker for as much as possible replace with the best the money received can get us" is not at all likely to be possible. Let's say we get 5/6/7/8 million we can only replace with somebody who can fit into our own wage structure others keep saying this but I don't think it's remotely feasible. Paying big dosh to this years new signings (Fletcher) started the dressing room unrest and put FF into a tail spin. DC won't want that again. This is where I fear we are stymied and that our best scenario is a fully reintegrated Forestiero. I'd be prepared to agree with a lot of fans if he doesn't want to be here then he's no good to us be we absolutely don't know that for sure. I agree totally and really hope he returns to form and gets that "part of something" feeling again which we had last year, fans included. I should have also said that in a way you can't blame players for thinking very short term when a lot of our fans think the very same way. We need a few wins and a bit more patience all round for now and we'll all feel a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: I agree totally and really hope he returns to form and gets that "part of something" feeling again which we had last year, fans included. I should have also said that in a way you can't blame players for thinking very short term when a lot of our fans think the very same way. We need a few wins and a bit more patience all round for now and we'll all feel a lot better. Appreciate your response have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 such a relief that he is putting effort in again. Thanks Fernando, you're a diamond and we owe you one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, markg said: such a relief that he is putting effort in again. Thanks Fernando, you're a diamond and we owe you one 20 grand a week and you are thanking him for putting in some effort. The least I would expect would be 100% effort. Honest days work for the contracted amount or you don't deserve any respect. You sign a contract to play for a club for 4 years at £20k p.w. then that's what you do and to the best of your ability. If someone else comes in on better wages it's not your business and you can't suddenly decide you want more. Throwing a strop and refusing to play is beneath contempt. If you got injured you'd still expect to get paid even if you weren't playing. I hope Nando has got his head straight and kicks on from last year but don't tell me he's a diamond and we owe him one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, markg said: such a relief that he is putting effort in again. Thanks Fernando, you're a diamond and we owe you one My sarcasm reader is off the charts with this one. 6 minutes ago, prowl said: 20 grand a week and you are thanking him for putting in some effort. The least I would expect would be 100% effort. Honest days work for the contracted amount or you don't deserve any respect. You sign a contract to play for a club for 4 years at £20k p.w. then that's what you do and to the best of your ability. If someone else comes in on better wages it's not your business and you can't suddenly decide you want more. Throwing a strop and refusing to play is beneath contempt. If you got injured you'd still expect to get paid even if you weren't playing. I hope Nando has got his head straight and kicks on from last year but don't tell me he's a diamond and we owe him one. Oh dear. Edited November 17, 2016 by SiJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Last_Great_Hope said: Anyone else have the cynical thought that he has "found himself" just in time to play himself into the tesm and form ahead of the Jan transfer window? Only dirty united fans would think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, SiJ said: My sarcasm reader is off the charts with this one. Oh dear. In that case my apologies to markg, I didn't pick up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, prowl said: In that case my apologies to markg, I didn't pick up on it. Even FF picked up on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I guess this means he will be in the starting 11 which I am happy about He has doubters for loads of reasons but for me he is fundamental to any chance of playing a more high tempo pressing game which I would like us to get going again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Copthorneowl said: Well torry respect your opinion. Love the guy best attitude of any player at he club (also said FF was best player in Champ) but don't believe even he would agree with you mate. hutch is a better centre back than forestieri is winger imo so for me he's the better player for us ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I don't think there is any need to over think this. FF has been decent in recent games other than Ipswich where he was controversially benched. Whilst he hasn't scored in those games he has been testing the keeper. Its mainly his own fault for refusing to play, but I don't think his future needs to be questioned after every off display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, prowl said: In that case my apologies to markg, I didn't pick up on it. No worries mate. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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