areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Whilst being Devils Advocate here the wife looked at me and said of Wildsmith " Why did he just stop running? Has someone just taken his batteries out ? ..... That's the thing that gets me with that goal. Brown's pass was dreadful and should never have been placed between the posts, but Wildsmith looked like he could reach the ball...and then he just stopped. Very, very strange. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The latter part of your post might help explain the former: Brown's clearly not a centre back. Stick him out on the wing and let him run at players, and he's got something there we can work with. But, in this system, he's nowhere near as effective, offensively, as Corbeanu, Shodipo, Hunt and in all likelihood, Mendez-Laing. Strangely enough, in the early weeks of this season where he showed most promise, most fans would've said his best position is wing back. But, now we've switched to a system that utilises them, he's further away from a starting berth than ever! Brown for me, presently, is a substitute that you bring on to replace the offensive left wing back, in the last 10 minutes of games to protect a lead. But, fundamentally, I agree, one thing he is not, is a centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, frastheowl said: But, in this system, he's nowhere near as effective, offensively, as Corbeanu, Shodipo, Hunt and in all likelihood, Mendez-Laing. Strangely enough, in the early weeks of this season where he showed most promise, most fans would've said his best position is wing back. But, now we've switched to a system that utilises them, he's further away from a starting berth than ever! Brown for me, presently, is a substitute that you bring on to replace the offensive left wing back, in the last 10 minutes of games to protect a lead. But, fundamentally, I agree, one thing he is not, is a centre half. I agree. At present, he's a backup player who we might use to add some fresh legs late on. I think many assumed he'd suit wing-back as he's played most of his football at left-back prior to joining us, so it seems like it should be a good fit. As you say, his promising early performances all came when we were using a back four and he was on the left of midfield, though! It'll be interesting to see how things pan out for him from here. He looks like he has it in him to be a decent player at this level, but things just haven't clicked for him here as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Just now, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I agree. At present, he's a backup player who we might use to add some fresh legs late on. I think many assumed he'd suit wing-back as he's played most of his football at left-back prior to joining us, so it seems like it should be a good fit. As you say, his promising early performances all came when we were using a back four and he was on the left of midfield, though! It'll be interesting to see how things pan out for him from here. He looks like he has it in him to be a decent player at this level, but things just haven't clicked for him here as of yet. Despite his encouraging earlier performances, I think the general feeling was, he was still playing out of position, and that long term, he was never going to be the answer on the left wing in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. He was a stop gap, until Corbeanu, Shodipo, Windass etc. got fit and up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, unkastav said: Thats in slow-mo remember. In fairness he’d have struggled to reach it Not if he'd anticipated that the pass wasn't coming towards him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 59 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: That's the thing that gets me with that goal. Brown's pass was dreadful and should never have been placed between the posts, but Wildsmith looked like he could reach the ball...and then he just stopped. Very, very strange. Definitely looked like he could get it or at least have a go at clawing or kicking it off the line. He just gave up on it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 Compare the distance between the opposites player when the ball goes past Wildsmith and where he is when the ball crossed the line Sure he has more forward momentum but if Wildsmith just legs it towards goal he definitely has a good chance of stopping that before it goes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Compare the distance between the opposites player when the ball goes past Wildsmith and where he is when the ball crossed the line Sure he has more forward momentum but if Wildsmith just legs it towards goal he definitely has a good chance of stopping that before it goes in Its over the line though and he isnt near it. Just my opinion though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, frastheowl said: Despite his encouraging earlier performances, I think the general feeling was, he was still playing out of position, and that long term, he was never going to be the answer on the left wing in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. He was a stop gap, until Corbeanu, Shodipo, Windass etc. got fit and up to speed. Yeah, maybe. It seemed like he'd slot in at left-back, where he's played most of his career to date, but we've changed the system now and despite appearing like a good fit at wing-back, he's not really shown much there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Brown’s showing last night was the worst I’ve seen in a long long time. Looked like a non-league player at the very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 54 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Compare the distance between the opposites player when the ball goes past Wildsmith and where he is when the ball crossed the line Sure he has more forward momentum but if Wildsmith just legs it towards goal he definitely has a good chance of stopping that before it goes in Poor pass but I did think at the time that Wildsmith gave up on it far too early. Such a strange goal to concede. It was a bad back pass but it looked recoverable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersiggi2 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 If Wildsmith had dived on it and saved it with his hands, it would've been an indirect free kick for them - but would there have been any further sanction? Yellow for unsporting behaviour perhaps? Can't see any amendment to denying a goal scoring opportunity rule that means the ref could give him a red?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: He looks like he has it in him to be a decent player at this level Really...he looks as though playing at this level is beneath him. He needs to go sharpish before he infects all the other squad players...oh wait...err Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Really...he looks as though playing at this level is beneath him. He needs to go sharpish before he infects all the other squad players...oh wait...err In his first few appearances for us he looked like he could be a threat with his direct running and dribbling. I'm not sure why his performances have suffered since, but I don't think League One is beyond him if he can find his form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said: Poor pass but I did think at the time that Wildsmith gave up on it far too early. Such a strange goal to concede. It was a bad back pass but it looked recoverable. Agree Regardless, he should at least try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Supersiggi2 said: If Wildsmith had dived on it and saved it with his hands, it would've been an indirect free kick for them - but would there have been any further sanction? Yellow for unsporting behaviour perhaps? Can't see any amendment to denying a goal scoring opportunity rule that means the ref could give him a red?! Sadly not Would have just been a freekick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, unkastav said: Its over the line though and he isnt near it. Just my opinion though Exactly because he stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Brown is clearly not a CB but his application last night and against Harrogate the other week is unacceptable for a professional footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 5 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: That's the thing that gets me with that goal. Brown's pass was dreadful and should never have been placed between the posts, but Wildsmith looked like he could reach the ball...and then he just stopped. Very, very strange. Wildsmith's positioning was strange, his reactions slow and his desire to keep the ball out just about non-existent. He was poor on the first goal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, McRightSide said: Exactly because he stopped I meant their player not joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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