Those 18 points under Thompson were crucial

[OWLNZ]

2 hours ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

Wasn't it 15 points.

P11 W5 D0 L6.

 

He steadied the ship after 7 points from 10 games under Pulis.

 

Thompson's final game, the capitulation to lose at Luton from 2-0 up and Moore's first, the loss at home to Rotherham could be crucial.

 

Then again you could point to any one of our 23 defeats being crucial.

 

 

Of the results since the New Year, the

Luton Rotherham time could be seen as crucial but only because of league position now. A season of what ifs, for me The big one is what if Moore didn’t get unwell. Seems like with a bit more quality time with the squad he might have ironed out more of the crap. Speedy recovery boss. 

[Guest Therealrealist]

3 hours ago, bobowl said:

The boys obviously trust him, it probably went pear shaped when everyone stopped getting payed.

Oh give over..so they wernt gettin paid and they went 2 up at luton..then at ht they remembered they wernt gettin paid do stopped trying and lost 3-2? We lost games like that cus we havnt got any bottle..fighters etc...mentally weak

[sherlyegg]

When you think about it...

The 6pt deduction, the pulis factor, players not paid, players out of contract, stand in managers, latest manager seriously ill, some players just not good enough (not their fault) and chansiri governing from 10000 miles away...

 

The players have done remarkably well.

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

Wasn't it 15 points.

P11 W5 D0 L6.

 

He steadied the ship after 7 points from 10 games under Pulis.

 

Thompson's final game, the capitulation to lose at Luton from 2-0 up and Moore's first, the loss at home to Rotherham could be crucial.

 

Then again you could point to any one of our 23 defeats being crucial.

 

 

 

Yep, 15 points from 11 league games. Slightly better than an overall record and it was certainly hard to imagine us winning 5 of those 11 under Pulis had not been shown the exit door at that time.

 

I think a lot of Thompson's good results stemmed from him being the immediate antidote to Pulisball - we won 4 of Thompson's first 5 league games immediately after Pulis went but Thompson's last 4 games in charge all resulted in defeat and the only one of those we managed to score in, we blew a 2-goal half-time lead. 

 

It is easy to point to the Rotherham game at home as being crucial as it was a recent disappointment and a hammer blow against a rival. But the Rotherham away game was just as damaging, our worst ever defeat to them handing them a 6-goal swing on us in terms of goal difference in that one game alone. 

Losing 3 in a week under Monk to Luton, Rotherham and Wycombe was a particular low, as was barely turning up against average opposition in Huddersfield and Forest under Pulis.   

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30 minutes ago, sherlyegg said:

When you think about it...

The 6pt deduction, the pulis factor, players not paid, players out of contract, stand in managers, latest manager seriously ill, some players just not good enough (not their fault) and chansiri governing from 10000 miles away...

 

The players have done remarkably well.

 

 

Which of our players stand out as doing remarkably well this season? 

[Holmowl]

8 hours ago, poite said:

About time someone said it. I'm staggered at the amount of comments slating Neil Thompson alongside Monk and Pulis. Without the run of extremely good results we had under Thompson for that short period we would have been dead and buried weeks ago. Yes it fell off the tracks in the end but Thompsons contribution was as you say crucial 

He started superbly and deserves great thanks and credit.

 

But he lost the plot from the Stoke game onwards and we were sinking like the Titanic.

[sherlyegg]

1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Which of our players stand out as doing remarkably well this season? 

The ones who got us to a final match shoot out, against all the odds.

 

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1 minute ago, sherlyegg said:

The ones who got us to a final match shoot out, against all the odds.

 

 

All of them then?

 

Or do you not want to say which players you think have done remarkably well this season? 

 

Yes they have had a lot to contend with but if you think they have stood up consistently on match days and have done remarkably well then you have set your standards pretty low. 

[RUMBELOWS91]

10 hours ago, Ian_D said:

Shame he changed the system, in his last few games in charge, from attacking play to scared of losing play.

Yep,  starting trying to be clever, rather than sticking to what was working 

 

[Beighton Owl 87]

He stedied the ship a little but let's not forget the results against Coventry, Millwall, Birmingham and Luton. 

 

Oh and the performance against Derby made my eyes bleed. (I'd take the same again this weekend though if we stay up)

[Kopparberg]

Big up NT.  

 

He also beat Covid as well didn’t he 

[Daniele Giovanni]

3 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Yep, 15 points from 11 league games. Slightly better than an overall record and it was certainly hard to imagine us winning 5 of those 11 under Pulis had not been shown the exit door at that time.

 

I think a lot of Thompson's good results stemmed from him being the immediate antidote to Pulisball - we won 4 of Thompson's first 5 league games immediately after Pulis went but Thompson's last 4 games in charge all resulted in defeat and the only one of those we managed to score in, we blew a 2-goal half-time lead. 

 

It is easy to point to the Rotherham game at home as being crucial as it was a recent disappointment and a hammer blow against a rival. But the Rotherham away game was just as damaging, our worst ever defeat to them handing them a 6-goal swing on us in terms of goal difference in that one game alone. 

Losing 3 in a week under Monk to Luton, Rotherham and Wycombe was a particular low, as was barely turning up against average opposition in Huddersfield and Forest under Pulis.   

Then again we could still stay up

[Andysowls]

12 hours ago, Hodgyowl said:

I'd have put thompson back in charge as soon as moore was taken ill. 

Much respect for NT but the tictacs he employed vs. Brim at home were diabolical

[Andysowls]

Just now, Andysowls said:

Much respect for NT but the tictacs he employed vs. Brim at home were diabolical

*Brum

[TomtheOwl95]

Initially we improved under Thompson but the way it was going under him before we appointed Moore we'd already be down. I don't like saying that as he's a nice bloke and clearly a good coach who is valued by the club but the games against Birmingham, Luton and Stoke were massive reasons why we needed to appoint someone.

 

Ultimately though it's the Pulis period that has caused most of the damage, negative belligerent football, lack of motivation, terrible man management. Might have been different if he'd been in in the summer, but we'll never know.

[Daniele Giovanni]

3 hours ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

Initially we improved under Thompson but the way it was going under him before we appointed Moore we'd already be down. I don't like saying that as he's a nice bloke and clearly a good coach who is valued by the club but the games against Birmingham, Luton and Stoke were massive reasons why we needed to appoint someone.

 

Ultimately though it's the Pulis period that has caused most of the damage, negative belligerent football, lack of motivation, terrible man management. Might have been different if he'd been in in the summer, but we'll never know.

And we all  wanted Pulis straight after Carlos, what were we thinking? He's boring even on punditry

[Jim]

Thompson did a decent job at a difficult time but it was clear to see that the caretaker manager effect was wearing off and we’d be down now if he had stayed in charge.

 

Even though results under Moore have been slightly worse than under Thompson, the performances and style of play have been better. We’d have never had beaten Cardiff 5-0 under Thompson or Monk or Pulis for that matter.

[Lionel Fessi]

Best decision Chansiri has ever made, sacking Pulis when he did...if he kept him any longer we would have been down by now!

 

If we go down, it's the decision to have kept Monk at the start of the season and given him what, 18? games before sacking him that's cost us. Our run of form from the second half of last season made it an easy decision to let him go, so many clear signs we were in a massive decline and giving him another transfer window/pre season made it so much harder for any new manager coming in to turn it around. 

 

Small positive from this season has been NT's immensely valuable contribution in those few games.

[TomtheOwl95]

11 hours ago, Daniele Giovanni said:

And we all  wanted Pulis straight after Carlos, what were we thinking? He's boring even on punditry

Did we?

[TomtheOwl95]

11 hours ago, Jim said:

Thompson did a decent job at a difficult time but it was clear to see that the caretaker manager effect was wearing off and we’d be down now if he had stayed in charge.

 

Even though results under Moore have been slightly worse than under Thompson, the performances and style of play have been better. We’d have never had beaten Cardiff 5-0 under Thompson or Monk or Pulis for that matter.

To add to this Moore has also had to prepare teams to face 6 of the current top 8. (While being ill for two periods of his time here as well)

 

Thompson had 2 of those in his time in charge. So with that taken into account I'd say it's about level between him and Moore as you wouldn't expect Wednesday to beat the likes of Norwich and Watford.