@owlstalk Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, Howards back said: You may be right but if owned a club and I saw how these players are playing I would never sign them. We do Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 minute ago, whowantstoberich said: We don’t really have a choice on the owner though do we? Like it or lump it he’s staying Looks like it mate Doesn't change the fact that changing the manager, the team, the CEO, the coaches, the tea lady, the marketing manager AGAIN will make things any better tho Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farlego Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Could we put out a team full of players who will definitely be here next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Maybe they've already got sorted with one at a new club If I were in their position I would - wouldn't you? Reach, maybe at an absolute push, based on his highlight reel from a few years ago could wrangle an early sorting of his future. And maybe Lees if I'm being generous. They at least have something in the bank (so to speak) to fall back on reputation wise at this level. The rest have nothing to differentiate them from the pack, and I don't see how any managers at our level, or even the one below, would have looked at people like Harris or Borner or Penney and, seeing how they've been playing all season gone "get these lads lined up ASAP". There is just too much competition out there for players playing at that level to have clubs lined up already. And look at Fletcher and Fox that you referenced earlier - they grafted and performed last season (putting aside the way Fletcher handled those final lockdown games), and were only able to get mid table Championship moves. Its a tough market out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whowantstoberich Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Looks like it mate Doesn't change the fact that changing the manager, the team, the CEO, the coaches, the tea lady, the marketing manager AGAIN will make things any better tho If we get lucky with a good manager we will be fine, I have faith in DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 minute ago, blueandwhitematt said: Reach, maybe at an absolute push, based on his highlight reel from a few years ago could wrangle an early sorting of his future. And maybe Lees if I'm being generous. They at least have something in the bank (so to speak) to fall back on reputation wise at this level. The rest have nothing to differentiate them from the pack, and I don't see how any managers at our level, or even the one below, would have looked at people like Harris or Borner or Penney and, seeing how they've been playing all season gone "get these lads lined up ASAP". There is just too much competition out there for players playing at that level to have clubs lined up already. And look at Fletcher and Fox that you referenced earlier - they grafted and performed last season (putting aside the way Fletcher handled those final lockdown games), and were only able to get mid table Championship moves. Its a tough market out there. I will bet you £10 here and now that 90%+ of the players who leave SWFC in the summer get new contracts elsewhere I'm even tempted to say 100% Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, farlego said: Could we put out a team full of players who will definitely be here next season? Be tough at the moment. Wildsmith Palmer Borner Dunkley Bannan Windass Paterson Iorfa, Luongo, Dele-Bashiru, Dawson all injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Manwë said: While there's still time, there's still a chance. I'm not giving up until it's over. Keep the faith. This could be the greatest escape since Houdini crawled out of a shark's mouth. trouble is we can't help but crawl into the sharks mouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Be tough at the moment. Wildsmith Palmer Borner Dunkley Bannan Windass Paterson Iorfa, Luongo, Dele-Bashiru, Dawson all injured. 2021 out of contract June Izzy Brown (loan) Kadeem Harris Alex Hunt Sam Hutchinson Elias Kachunga Tom Lees Jack Marriott (loan) Moses Odubajo Joey Pelupessy Matt Penney Adam Reach Jordan Rhodes Liam Shaw ( Set to join Celtic ) Osaze Urhoghide Joost van Aken Keiren Westwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: I will bet you £10 here and now that 90%+ of the players who leave SWFC in the summer get new contracts elsewhere I'm even tempted to say 100% They absolutely will. Someone will take a punt on Harris. Maybe League One or a newly promoted Championship side. Purely because of his pace. Penney will pick up a contract in League One or Two. Pelupessy and Van Aken probably go back to Holland. Westwood close to retirement at 36 anyway. Hutchison similar will probably go into coaching I imagine. Urhoghide will definitely join another Championship club at his age and potential. Rhodes I think Cardiff are looking at him already, someone will take a punt based on his past history. Lees solid pro and could see him moving to another Championship club. Someone will definitely sign Reach. A few might have to take pay cuts, but given the wages we’ve dished out here I’m sure they’ll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 The playing staff needs a thorough clean out. Replace them all if we can, shift on some of the ones still in contract and replace with keen youngsters who want to work. Moore is a potentially good manager, I don't blame him for this season in any way. He's been here a very short time, he doesn't know the players and how they work together (if only they did). For me he gets a free pass and starts next season. Will we do much better, I doubt it, the dead hand of DC and his advisors won't let it happen, they will bring in the wrong players to do the wrong things in positions they've never played. I don't feel despondent, just resigned to a few more years in the wilderness. I can't even get excited enough to reach apathy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: I will bet you £10 here and now that 90%+ of the players who leave SWFC in the summer get new contracts elsewhere I'm even tempted to say 100% Why would I place a bet on a forum post? I'm not saying they won't get new clubs. I'm saying they may will be in for a shock when it isn't at the level or type or club they think it will be. And if they're happy with that, and just want any old club to take them on, then fine that's their prerogative. Being a free agent is tough at the best of times, my point is that in a COVID impacted summer, its going to be a nightmare being a free agent. And these players are hardly doing all they can performing for us at the moment - their stock would be higher if they went down with a fight at least. Some may have clubs lined up (Lees, Reach). The other experienced players, I highly doubt they have clubs sorted for next season already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, blueandwhitematt said: Why would I place a bet on a forum post? I'm not saying they won't get new clubs. I'm saying they may will be in for a shock when it isn't at the level or type or club they think it will be. And if they're happy with that, and just want any old club to take them on, then fine that's their prerogative. Being a free agent is tough at the best of times, my point is that in a COVID impacted summer, its going to be a nightmare being a free agent. And these players are hardly doing all they can performing for us at the moment - their stock would be higher if they went down with a fight at least. Some may have clubs lined up (Lees, Reach). The other experienced players, I highly doubt they have clubs sorted for next season already. They're playing like they have Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Owl Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Miffed said: The only positive thing about this club it’s it’s amazing fans There is not a single other positive thing about the whole club Results, performances, players, owners, ageing tired stadium, embarrassing club shop, poor academy, training facilities, ticket prices, going down without a fight ... I could go on The whole club stinks and needs resetting Absolutely spot on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: 2021 out of contract June Izzy Brown (loan) Kadeem Harris Alex Hunt Sam Hutchinson Elias Kachunga Tom Lees Jack Marriott (loan) Moses Odubajo Joey Pelupessy Matt Penney Adam Reach Jordan Rhodes Liam Shaw ( Set to join Celtic ) Osaze Urhoghide Joost van Aken Keiren Westwood Frightening. I absolutely dread the rebuild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: They're playing like they have They are. Which is why its all the more bizarre. If people like Harris, Borner, Penney, Palmer etc all have already fixed themselves up with Championship or high-end League 1 clubs, good on their agents. But in this market, they have done nothing at all this season to suggest they would have got them moves already. It's just too competitive out there to have those sorts of moves lined up on the back of mediocre performances all season (this isn't just a few weeks). And in normal times it probably wouldn't matter, but with finances as they are across the football league, I'd be doing all I could to separate myself from the pack. I'm more inclined to think it speaks more to their collective football personality. No real desire to push themselves and get a better move, they'll just take what comes up and keep doing what they need. It screams comfort zone footballers, of which unfortunately I think we've collected too many of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Sensible Soccer said: Reality we have an out of contract squad one the end of the season. They won’t risk 50/50s they won’t go max out and they will lose more balls than they win... self preservation I’m afraid In that case they should be dropped. Play the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Just now, blueandwhitematt said: They are. Which is why its all the more bizarre. If people like Harris, Borner, Penney, Palmer etc all have already fixed themselves up with Championship or high-end League 1 clubs, good on their agents. But in this market, they have done nothing at all this season to suggest they would have got them moves already. It's just too competitive out there to have those sorts of moves lined up on the back of mediocre performances all season (this isn't just a few weeks). And in normal times it probably wouldn't matter, but with finances as they are across the football league, I'd be doing all I could to separate myself from the pack. I'm more inclined to think it speaks more to their collective football personality. No real desire to push themselves and get a better move, they'll just take what comes up and keep doing what they need. It screams comfort zone footballers, of which unfortunately I think we've collected too many of. If you have a shop and all the shop staff are just milling around, looking bored, not doing their jobs properly so you get rid of all of them and get a load of new shop staff in who after a while are just milling around, looking bored, not doing their jobs properly so you get rid of all of them and get a load of new shop staff in who after a while are just milling around, looking bored, not doing their jobs properly so you get rid of all of them and get a load of new shop staff in who after a while are just milling around, looking bored, not doing their jobs properly so you get rid of all of them and get a load of new shop staff in who after a while are just milling around, looking bored, not doing their jobs properly you eventually surely must conclude that it might not be the shop staff who need replacing again Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkowl.74 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I didn’t follow match today or watch any results. I just logged in here now to see what I was expecting. Gutted for this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: 2021 out of contract June Izzy Brown (loan) Kadeem Harris Alex Hunt Sam Hutchinson Elias Kachunga Tom Lees Jack Marriott (loan) Moses Odubajo Joey Pelupessy Matt Penney Adam Reach Jordan Rhodes Liam Shaw ( Set to join Celtic ) Osaze Urhoghide Joost van Aken Keiren Westwood I'd go all out to keep hunt, Shaw and urhoghide and Westwood if he took a significant pay cut. But that's it. The rest can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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