83owl Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, twolaptops said: Don't want to see Reach anywhere near the starting 11.............and as he is not an impact sub...............ta ta !!! So you don’t want reach but you’re happy with Harris? Despite reach having his worst season for us and playing 1000 fewer minutes he still contributed more assists than Harris (admittedly 2 less goals however) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, pazowl55 said: Surely Reach would have been a better option then Dele Bashiru. 3 hours ago, pazowl55 said: Surely Reach would have been a better option then Dele Bashiru. No way, the neshest player ever seen in a Wednesday shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Not sure that Dele Bashiru will be in the first team straight away. Remember he is only 19. Expectations seem to be really high of him but he's never played League football yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, 83owl said: So you don’t want reach but you’re happy with Harris? Despite reach having his worst season for us and playing 1000 fewer minutes he still contributed more assists than Harris (admittedly 2 less goals however) For me, yes. Harris worked his testicles off, particularly at wing back. Reach did nothing, largely anonymous. Edited August 21, 2020 by striker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, striker said: For me, yes. Harris worked his testicles off, particularly at wing back. Reach did nothing, largely anonymous. Reach at wing back in my opinion. Plays much better when he is out wide with the game in front of him. Still the best crosser of a ball we have. Will run all day long. Doesn't need to be putting in strong tackles when defending, just needs to close down and stop crosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 19/08/2020 at 21:52, Pressman 1 said: As it stands, with brown signing think so far be roughly like this Wildsmith Iorfa dunkley borner Harris reach Bannan luongo bashiru Brown Rhodes What do you all think so far? Not good is what i think. Anything with Rhodes in doesnt look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, billyblack said: Not good is what i think. Anything with Rhodes in doesnt look good Need to get Rhodes out of the way but looking stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, striker said: For me, yes. Harris worked his testicles off, particularly at wing back. Reach did nothing, largely anonymous. Reach did nothing, largely anonymous yet still contributed to more goals per minute than Harris did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 48 minutes ago, 83owl said: Reach did nothing, largely anonymous yet still contributed to more goals per minute than Harris did. Can interpret stats to suit, the Reach I saw was woeful, didnt want to run, lost the ability to pass and never had the ability to tackle. While Harris didn't excel, he adjusted position and put a shift in every game, working hard for the team up and down the wing. When Reach was given opportunity at wing back, he spent most of the game on the edge of our box, ventured across the half way line about three times. He also couldn't get in a very poor, threadbare post lockdown team, clearly the coaching staff not swayed by his goals per minute ratio compared to Harris either. Harris wasn't great offensively, but worked his testicles off for the team, I'd take that commitment over Reach any day, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, striker said: Can interpret stats to suit, the Reach I saw was woeful, didnt want to run, lost the ability to pass and never had the ability to tackle. While Harris didn't excel, he adjusted position and put a shift in every game, working hard for the team up and down the wing. When Reach was given opportunity at wing back, he spent most of the game on the edge of our box, ventured across the half way line about three times. He also couldn't get in a very poor, threadbare post lockdown team, clearly the coaching staff not swayed by his goals per minute ratio compared to Harris either. Harris wasn't great offensively, but worked his testicles off for the team, I'd take that commitment over Reach any day, You have to give Harris great credit for his application in a new position in a misfiring team, looked pretty solid in defence.... hopefully that shows his true character and attitude FWIW I don't feel like that is the same with Reach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, striker said: For me, yes. Harris worked his testicles off, particularly at wing back. Reach did nothing, largely anonymous. Before his injury in January Reach has made 8 assists and scored 2. After returning from injury he was a shadow of this. Only two starts and only 200 minutes in total. I think your opinion is being heavily coloured by this post-injury period. Why would you do that, rather than his prior seasons and first half of this season form? I hope he’s over the injury and that he starts every game in the new season, LW or LWB. Harris on the right. Sorted. Looking at the ‘quality’ and fitness records of our recent signings Reach and Harris should be on the teamsheet in permanent ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, Holmowl said: Before his injury in January Reach has made 8 assists and scored 2. After returning from injury he was a shadow of this. Only two starts and only 200 minutes in total. I think your opinion is being heavily coloured by this post-injury period. Why would you do that, rather than his prior seasons and first half of this season form? I hope he’s over the injury and that he starts every game in the new season, LW or LWB. Harris on the right. Sorted. Looking at the ‘quality’ and fitness records of our recent signings Reach and Harris should be on the teamsheet in permanent ink. It is, fair to judge players on recent form than previous seasons. Other players, the manager are judged in this way, so why not Reach? Despite his injury, was available for a lot of games, but not selected. When he did get game time looked bewildered with no clue what was happening. Added nothing in midfield, looked a liability at wing back when given the opportunity. It was mentioned in an interview with the new coach, Hughes, about earning the right to play, Reach hasn't done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, striker said: It is, fair to judge players on recent form than previous seasons. Other players, the manager are judged in this way, so why not Reach? Despite his injury, was available for a lot of games, but not selected. When he did get game time looked bewildered with no clue what was happening. Added nothing in midfield, looked a liability at wing back when given the opportunity. It was mentioned in an interview with the new coach, Hughes, about earning the right to play, Reach hasn't done that. You don’t think that after 3 good/very good seasons it’s wrong to judge him harshly on the 200 minutes he played post injury? By that measure, what’s your thoughts on Windass, Brown and Leko? FAR FAR FAR worse injury records and FAR FAR FAR less of a proven track-record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Holmowl said: You don’t think that after 3 good/very good seasons it’s wrong to judge him harshly on the 200 minutes he played post injury? By that measure, what’s your thoughts on Windass, Brown and Leko? FAR FAR FAR worse injury records and FAR FAR FAR less of a proven track-record. My honest appraisal of Reach is that he had a purple patch, scored some very good goals, bar that has been ok last season, poor this. I dont think the injury was so serious to absolve him from the poor form shown and as a senior player, expected more from him. I think Windass is a good option, team player, works hard and despite his own injury, contributed more than Reach post lockdown. Brown and Leko are young players, Brown with a comparable assist rate and Leko able to play up front. Moreover, fit into the way Monk wants to play. Reach had his better games was a winger in a 442 formation, we don't play that way and he has shown no/limited ability to adjust to a central midfield or wing back role. Not just my opinion, the coaches who see him day in day out, prefer Harris at wing back and a youth player (Hunt) in midfield. Does Reach get in the team at wing back in front of Harris, Penney...no. does he get in midfield ahead of Bannan, Luongo, Brown, Hunt...no, Pelupessey, Shaw...maybe. Never seen Dele play so difficult to assess. Edited August 21, 2020 by striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, striker said: My honest appraisal of Reach is that he had a purple patch, scored some very good goals, bar that has been ok last season, poor this. I dont think the injury was so serious to absolve him from the poor form shown and as a senior player, expected more from him. I think Windass is a good option, team player, works hard and despite his own injury, contributed more than Reach post lockdown. Brown and Leko are young players, Brown with a comparable assist rate and Leko able to play up front. Moreover, fit into the way Monk wants to play. Reach had his better games was a winger in a 442 formation, we don't play that way and he has shown no/limited ability to adjust to a central midfield or wing back role. Not just my opinion, the coaches who see him day in day out, prefer Harris at wing back and a youth player (Hunt) in midfield. Does Reach get in the team at wing back in front of Harris, Penney...no. does he get in midfield ahead of Bannan, Luongo, Brown, Hunt...no, Pelupessey, Shaw...maybe. Never seen Dele play so difficult to assess. You rate Penney a better WB than Reach? I thought Penney a poor LB and a poor LW. Doesn’t seem to add up to him being a good LWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Holmowl said: You rate Penney a better WB than Reach? I thought Penney a poor LB and a poor LW. Doesn’t seem to add up to him being a good LWB. Yes, I though he started well at LB, Jos then started moving him round the pitch and lost his confidence. As an attacking LB, yes I feel a natural progression to wing back for Penney. I dont see him being first choice, presume that will be Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, striker said: Yes, I though he started well at LB, Jos then started moving him round the pitch and lost his confidence. As an attacking LB, yes I feel a natural progression to wing back for Penney. I dont see him being first choice, presume that will be Harris. Reach LWB. Harris RWB. I’d be a VERY happy fan to see that for the first 8 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Reach LWB. Harris RWB. I’d be a VERY happy fan to see that for the first 8 games. I agree, Harris RWB seems a more natural fit, but suspect he'll be on the left and Odubajo on the right, unless we get Murphy back. I dont think we're ever going to agree on Reach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Holmowl said: Reach LWB. Harris RWB. I’d be a VERY happy fan to see that for the first 8 games. Agree 100%. Bring palmer on for Harris after 65 mins when Harris is blowing out of his arris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 We might not play 3-5-2 like but if we do as it stands (obviously leko linked massively / Sanderson , few others will come in but ) Wildsmith Iorfa Dunkley Borner Palmer Luongo Fisayo Bannan Harris Brown Rhodes Brown just playing behind Rhodes, obviously leaving bench options very thin attack wise (only reach and maybe younger end ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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