daveyboy66 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The fans put paid to Jos Luhukay AND Carlos Carvalhal Chansiri made the changes under massive pressure from fans Not at Hillsborough they didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, daveyboy66 said: Not at Hillsborough they didn't They did. At the fans forum 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: They did. At the fans forum yeah true dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The fans put paid to Jos Luhukay AND Carlos Carvalhal Chansiri made the changes under massive pressure from fans Based on bad results and dire performances, it wasn't just because people didn't like them. Yet Monk's results and performances are worse than either of them, but some people still go on about him "deserving" to stay on for some reason. . Edited July 24, 2020 by alanharper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, alanharper said: Based on bad results and dire performances, it wasn't just because people didn't like them. I think you're revising history a bit there mate Chansiri didn't want to part company with them at all He sat stubbornly saying there was no way he was going to sack Jos and was going to stick with him. The fans forced it big time Anyone who says otherwise either wasn't at the fans forum (in Luhukay's case) or is just making stuff up to fit their side of the debate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think you're revising history a bit there mate Chansiri didn't want to part company with them at all The fans forced it big time Anyone who says otherwise either wasn't at the fans forum (in Luhukay's case) or is just making stuff up to fit their side of the debate Yeah I know that - I meant that the fans wanted Carlos and Jos out because they were clearly failing miserably and underperforming as managers, yet despite that Chansiri seemed reluctant to make the change just as he seems to be with Monk. "Jos Out" was an almost unanimous opinion amongst the fans, yet Monk has done a worse job than him and he still has people saying that he "deserves" to stay and be entrusted with rebuilding the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, alanharper said: "Jos Out" was an almost unanimous opinion amongst the fans, yet Monk has done a worse job than him I'd have been very interested to see Jos' record (or Carlos for that matter) with the squad that Monk has had to work with, without a coaching team, with times where the players didn't get paid on time, an EFL charge hanging over the club with potential relegation, with pretty much a full squad's contracts coming to an end, with COVID19 meaning that a shedload had to be played pretty much one after the other, after the other, with your top striker and best defender clearing off before the end of the season etc etc etc I'd have LOVED to have seen their records under that situation 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I'd have been very interested to see Jos' record (or Carlos for that matter) with the squad that Monk has had to work with, without a coaching team, with times where the players didn't get paid on time, an EFL charge hanging over the club with potential relegation, with pretty much a full squad's contracts coming to an end, with COVID19 meaning that a shedload had to be played pretty much one after the other after the other after the other etc etc etc etc I'd have LOVED to have seen their records under that situation Monk inherited a better squad than Jos had. He also had his own transfer window to fetch players in. Both signed Joey Pelupessy to contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just now, Emilianenko said: Monk inherited a better squad than Jos had. He also had his own transfer window to fetch players in. Both signed Joey Pelupessy to contracts. He really didn't though did he? Let's not start making stuff up Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I suppose no changes can be made (Manager, Players) until we know what level we are playing at. Least the kit is early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He really didn't though did he? Let's not start making stuff up Just cos he couldn't manage them properly doesn't mean he didn't have a better squad. Iorfa, Luongo, Harris, Murphy ,Borner all added to Jos' squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Emilianenko said: Just cos he couldn't manage them properly doesn't mean he didn't have a better squad. Iorfa, Luongo, Harris, Murphy ,Borner all added to Jos' squad. You're just rewriting history and making stuff up Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: You're just rewriting history and making stuff up What part am I making up? That's right none of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 When people use Covid 19 as one of their excuses for Monk's results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just now, alanharper said: When people use Covid 19 as one of their excuses for Monk's results Not sure you've thought this through Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Not sure you've thought this through It was in your list of excuses. How did Covid 19 have anything to do whatsoever with the 3 months shocking results from late December to mid March? Every team had the same fixture schedule after the restart, and it's not as if we were any worse from that point either, if anything performances were slightly improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just now, alanharper said: It was in your list of excuses. How did Covid 19 have anything to do whatsoever with the 3 months shocking results from late December to mid March? It doesn't It impacts the games since lockdown OBVIOUSLY Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamthesun Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 21 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Well argued Neil. I see what you mean now. Monk is a genius. ....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jamthesun said: Well argued Neil. I see what you mean now. Monk is a genius. ....... I was just looking for anywhere I could wedge that animated gif in... Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 The fact that we haven't already confirmed his exit makes me believe he will be here for the start of next season. I don't subscribe to the thought that if only given time, managers would turn their clubs around. I've not seen anything that gives me faith in him. His contact is up, the only thing going for him is that he's the incumbent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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