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[The Night-Owl]

1 hour ago, full fathom five said:

I would say both

 

Agreed, poor on and off the pitch as a club ever since Wembley. Was enthusiastic when Bruce was here but that didn't last long. The owner; managers, coaches and players all have had a part to play in our demise. The way we have been run as a club is very poor but it doesn't excuse the numerous abysmal results and gutless performances. We need to buck up as a club on and off the pitch. Hopefully the hearing will go our way but we need to be far more smarter and astute as a club and learn the harsh lessons from the past few years. 

[full fathom five]

Just now, @owlstalk said:

 

All we need to do is get through the season, not get relegated, then continue the clearout and get rid of the rest of the troublesome players, get some fresh blood in and start the revolution

I"m supporting the club doing that.

Are you?

Who are these other troublesome players? Can you name them ALL? so we know when we can start looking forward. You seem sure once their gone whoever they are that's an end to our worries. You will have to forgive me if i unfortunately don't share this belief. I'll always support the club but won't accept rumour over substance. Monk had my support once he got the job but from what I've seen so far he hasn't done enough to warrant me wanting him to remain as our manager, he's got a bloody long long long way to go to prove me wrong.

[@owlstalk]

Just now, full fathom five said:

You seem sure once their gone whoever they are that's an end to our worries. 

I've not said that at all

I've not even hinted that's the case

I've not suggested it

What I will say is that we will be better off as a football club without them

Our other issues will remain 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

All we need to do is get through the season, not get relegated, then continue the clearout and get rid of the rest of the troublesome players, get some fresh blood in and start the revolution

I"m supporting the club doing that.

Are you?

 

WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE CLUB?

[@owlstalk]

Just now, hirstyboywonder said:

 

WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE CLUB?

All time classic quote

She's gonna go down in history for that one

 

 

[full fathom five]

8 minutes ago, The Night-Owl said:

 

Agreed, poor on and off the pitch as a club ever since Wembley. Was enthusiastic when Bruce was here but that didn't last long. The owner; managers, coaches and players all have had a part to play in our demise. The way we have been run as a club is very poor but it doesn't excuse the numerous abysmal results and gutless performances. We need to buck up as a club on and off the pitch. Hopefully the hearing will go our way but we need to be far more smarter and astute as a club and learn the harsh lessons from the past few years. 

Exactly pal, we have to many losers making too many excuses for their failures and too many fans buying this line.

[full fathom five]

5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

I've not said that at all

I've not even hinted that's the case

I've not suggested it

What I will say is that we will be better off as a football club without them

Our other issues will remain 

So name them if your so sure we will be better off without them??? If you can't then why keep throwing it out there as FACT when you don't know.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

23 minutes ago, full fathom five said:

That's because players who aren't good enough are now getting game time so they will be happy, doesn't mean we have a better team.

I didn't realise we had such cynical fans.

 

Question, glass half full or glass half empty?

[full fathom five]

3 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said:

I didn't realise we had such cynical fans.

 

Question, glass half full or glass half empty?

I didn't realise we had such gullible fans

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

13 minutes ago, full fathom five said:

So name them if your so sure we will be better off without them??? If you can't then why keep throwing it out there as FACT when you don't know.

I already posted this in another thread but it's relevant again.

 

I don't think it can be down to one person. It's just a fact of life that dynamics of groups can change, get stale, be it an office environment, sports team, whatever, sometimes for no particular reason other than people want a change. But often things like money and promotions cause unrest in a group.

 

I think a number of players spent too much time looking at what other people were on rather than buckling down and working hard to win themselves an improved deal.once you start that game the group unity is lost.

 

If we had managed the squad more sensibly, by moving players out for profit to bring new faces in we may not be in this position now.

 

One thing I'd like to see is a proper wage structure like Arsenal had for years. You might be Jimmy big testicles, but you can't earn more than a certain amount here.

Like I've said before, the manager is one small part of our issues. We need a root and branch change of all aspects of our club.

[full fathom five]

2 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said:

I already posted this in another thread but it's relevant again.

 

I don't think it can be down to one person. It's just a fact of life that dynamics of groups can change, get stale, be it an office environment, sports team, whatever, sometimes for no particular reason other than people want a change. But often things like money and promotions cause unrest in a group.

 

I think a number of players spent too much time looking at what other people were on rather than buckling down and working hard to win themselves an improved deal.once you start that game the group unity is lost.

 

If we had managed the squad more sensibly, by moving players out for profit to bring new faces in we may not be in this position now.

 

One thing I'd like to see is a proper wage structure like Arsenal had for years. You might be Jimmy big testicles, but you can't earn more than a certain amount here.

Like I've said before, the manager is one small part of our issues. We need a root and branch change of all aspects of our club.

I'd agree with most of that but will add that good man managers/leaders/winners deal with things like this. We don't appear to have good leadership from the top to the bottom and thus things that shouldn't be allowed to happen, do.

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

10 minutes ago, full fathom five said:

I didn't realise we had such gullible fans

It's not about being gullible, it's about being realistic and less emotional about a people you have never met and don't know.

 

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

1 minute ago, full fathom five said:

I'd agree with most of that but will add that good man managers/leaders/winners deal with things like this. We don't appear to have good leadership from the top to the bottom and thus things that shouldn't be allowed to happen, do.

You have a point, but managers make a decision about what sort of management style they prefer, disciplinarian or not. Those who choose to be pally tend to see the wheels fall off when the players think they can get away with anything.

I think the position we are in means we have the opportunity to cull and cull deeply, not just for finances but to bring in players who are going to go on a journey together in unity.

Too many of our squad have seen too much failure in the last three seasons and it makes sense to clear out.

Ask yourself what a manager like Wilder or Ferguson would have done with our squad. I imagine much the same as us happening now.

[full fathom five]

9 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said:

It's not about being gullible, it's about being realistic and less emotional about a people you have never met and don't know.

 

Neither is it a question of being cynical it's about judging what you see on a football field and results which is all we can do throughout a season.

[full fathom five]

3 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said:

You have a point, but managers make a decision about what sort of management style they prefer, disciplinarian or not. Those who choose to be pally tend to see the wheels fall off when the players think they can get away with anything.

I think the position we are in means we have the opportunity to cull and cull deeply, not just for finances but to bring in players who are going to go on a journey together in unity.

Too many of our squad have seen too much failure in the last three seasons and it makes sense to clear out.

Ask yourself what a manager like Wilder or Ferguson would have done with our squad. I imagine much the same as us happening now.

Wilder and Ferguson would do much the same but they would back it up with a clear style of play, a clear sense of direction and most importantly by winning more games. Even achieving one of these things would be a start, sorry but Monk hasn't shown even the slightest signs of doing this and before you say the culling of our high earners, just how much is that down to Monk or the nessacity of our current financial position.

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, full fathom five said:

Wilder and Ferguson would do much the same but they would back it up with a clear style of play, a clear sense of direction and most importantly by winning more games. Even achieving one of these things would be a start, sorry but Monk hasn't shown even the slightest signs of doing this and before you say the culling of our high earners, just how much is that down to Monk or the nessacity of our current financial position.

 

All the games before Christmas we did great (overachieved)

Then we had a blip

Now we're back on track

So you can focus on the winning games before Christmas or the games since we returned (last two games two clean sheets, four points out of the last six etc)

Or you can just keep droning on and on and on about a temporary blip in form with troublesome players, no coaching staff, no spending, EFL charges hanging over us, and COVID19 changing EVERYTHING and just use all that to try and lump it onto Garry Monk

 

[oldishowl]

So I understand the rules of this thread now.
 

Anything that’s remotely good or beneficial is absolutely nothing to do with Monk

 

Everything that has been bad is all Monk’s fault 

[OwlBiSeeinThi]

4 minutes ago, full fathom five said:

Neither is it a question of being cynical it's about judging what you see on a football field and results which is all we can do throughout a season.

Fair enough, but it's also about realising the mammoth size of the task in hand.

Which is why I think this is the right time to rip it all apart and start from scratch instead of persisting with players who are stale, on big money and seem to need special treatment from management.

Build a level playing field with all players on equitable terms who know what is expected of them and what is unacceptable.

I hate comparisons to the unwashed over in S2 but they have a no nonsense manager and no swinging dicks on massive money and every players works hard for the rest of the team.

[daveyboy66]

52 minutes ago, full fathom five said:

Exactly pal, we have to many losers making too many excuses for their failures and too many fans buying this line.

And too many internet personas desperate to be right even if it means the club suffering...come back Tonto all is forgiven

[full fathom five]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

 

All the games before Christmas we did great (overachieved)

Then we had a blip

Now we're back on track

So you can focus on the winning games before Christmas or the games since we returned (last two games two clean sheets, four points out of the last six etc)

Or you can just keep droning on and on and on about a temporary blip in form with troublesome players, no coaching staff, no spending, EFL charges hanging over us, and COVID19 changing EVERYTHING and just use all that to try and lump it onto Garry Monk

 

I thought troublesome players was your specialist area of expertise?

I'll continue to judge the club with my own two eyes and results as I've always done over the course of the season.

I'll leave the droning on about trouble makers and form tables to you.