@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, Great Big Galaa said: Anti-club might be the wrong description? I meant fans who disagree with club/Chansiri policy. Surely that would insinuate that they disagree with ALL 'club' or Chansiri policy I don't think such people exist in all honesty There are some that challenge SOME of Chansiri's management of the club and some of the decisions he's made Not sure the word 'club' is applicable at all because Chansiri is not the club and vice versa. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 33 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I bet FootballTyper has spent more hours collating more information on this subject than you have, and knows more than you ever will on the subject. But you just dismiss him and his information, and instead tell people they should shut up and stop questioning the chairman over his answers to the only journalist permitted to talk to him I’ve no doubt he’s spent many many hours collating ‘evidence’ , and fair play to him if that’s what he wants to do, imagine he’s gained many followers on his account for doing so Again, your just twisting my words , I’ve not told anyone to shut up and stop questioning him. My whole issue is why are we asking the same questions over and over again because his answer doesn’t match some geezers ‘evidence’ on twitter As for refusing to debate, what you want me to debate ? I debated On the Chris waddle thread that his opinion meant no more than any average joe because he’s absolutely no idea how the club is ran behind the scenes , and you deleted posts because you didn’t like my opinion so why should I debate on this one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: I’ve no doubt he’s spent many many hours collating ‘evidence’ , and fair play to him if that’s what he wants to do, imagine he’s gained many followers on his account for doing so Again, your just twisting my words , I’ve not told anyone to shut up and stop questioning him. My whole issue is why are we asking the same questions over and over again because his answer doesn’t match some geezers ‘evidence’ on twitter As for refusing to debate, what you want me to debate ? I debated On the Chris waddle thread that his opinion meant no more than any average joe because he’s absolutely no idea how the club is ran behind the scenes , and you deleted posts because you didn’t like my opinion so why should I debate on this one ? It's such a bizarre stance that you have. Push away all evidence put in front of you or simply ignore it Sticking to the 'why should we ask Chansiri' etc Whilst ignoring anything put in front of you. I don't get it I really don't Surely you would want to see all sides of a story before deciding what you believe to be the truth? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Royal_D said: I’ve no doubt he’s spent many many hours collating ‘evidence’ , and fair play to him if that’s what he wants to do, imagine he’s gained many followers on his account for doing so Evidence or just facts? Could I just ask you a really quick simple question - have you read the stuff that Matt's collated? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Evidence or just facts? Could I just ask you a really quick simple question - have you read the stuff that Matt's collated? Yep, who’s to say it’s evidence or fact ? On what basis are you working off that footballtyper knows exactly what the relationship between SWFC/Chansiri and doyen/paxaio is or was ? it’s all speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Yep, who’s to say it’s evidence or fact ? On what basis are you working off that footballtyper knows exactly what the relationship between SWFC/Chansiri and doyen/paxaio is or was ? it’s all speculation Have you read any of what Matt's put out? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 For those who want to put some of this into a wider context of who is associated with SWFC and what has been written about their methods, please take a look at the links below. Whilst some attempt to reject it summarily as nothing more than the conspiratorial musings of a prejudiced loser on Twitter, it includes actual transcripts from e-mails and text messages of those involved, investigations by FIFA and UEFA, documents submitted to a leading German newspaper and court proceedings in Spain. https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/newsid=2637091.html https://www.footballparadise.com/dan-petrescu/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-the-dirty-tricks-of-doyen-sports/ https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/football/2019/jul/17/spain-probes-football-leaks-target-doyen-sports-2005354.html https://footballtyper.com/2018/03/05/under-the-influence/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-the-paper-players-of-cyprus/ As for Chansiri once and for all dealing with the questions regarding the involvement of Doyen Sports, as follows... Quote Can you also clear up what arrangement the club has with Doyen Sports? I used Doyen in an advisory capacity when I first bought our club and they were helpful to me. Amadeu Paixao was a consultant at Doyen because I did not know a lot about the football business but it is now five years later and I have learned a lot about every part of football. Amadeu came with me as my personal adviser and club consultant, he has been a big person for me. I can tell you that Doyen or their new company have no involvement in our club at all and Doyen have not been involved for some time. Doyen have never held an interest in a single Sheffield Wednesday player or held any investment in the club. There is no contract with Doyen, there is no payment owed if we get promoted, nothing. Amadeu has no business with them either, he has never taken our players to Doyen. I hope this will finally draw a line beneath this subject. On the face of it, that does seem quite comprehensive. However, Paixao Amadeu is head of Foremost Sports, prior to that, Principal Sports and previously an agent for Doyen Sports. The careers of him and Doyen's founder, Nelio Lucas, are extensively intertwined. Whilst technically, formal links to that company may no longer exist, their respective histories cannot be so easily dismissed as no longer relevant. I'm not attempting to 'prove' that anyone is engaged in anything unethical or illegal. Even if they were, that would be rather beyond my scope to demonstrate. All I'm asking is that some supporters don't see blind faith as an essential duty for them to be considered loyal to the club. If you can read those links objectively (and I know that most won't bother but will remain strongly opinionated regardless) and if you can see what is unfolding at our club without unease, then good luck to you. Personally however, I think there are significant causes for concern that don't appear, publicly at least, to be troubling our chairman in the same way. I can well understand people not being interested in some of these finer points, even if I don't get how they can form such strong opinions with so little information. But given the situation the club is in at the moment, especially financially, surely some probing questions are justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Have you read any of what Matt's put out? Again, yes I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: Again, yes I have Sorry I misread your previous post So what did you make of what Matts put together on the subject? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: Mine is the Chairman has made mistakes but I think as far as the clubs concerned, his heart is in the right place. For all my criticism, I actually agree. It is not his motives that bother me, only how he is attempting to achieve them and what appears to be a degree of intolerance for alternative views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: For those who want to put some of this into a wider context of who is associated with SWFC and what has been written about their methods, please take a look at the links below. Whilst some attempt to reject it summarily as nothing more than the conspiratorial musings of a prejudiced loser on Twitter, it includes actual transcripts from e-mails and text messages of those involved, investigations by FIFA and UEFA, documents submitted to a leading German newspaper and court proceedings in Spain. https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/newsid=2637091.html https://www.footballparadise.com/dan-petrescu/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-the-dirty-tricks-of-doyen-sports/ https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/football/2019/jul/17/spain-probes-football-leaks-target-doyen-sports-2005354.html https://footballtyper.com/2018/03/05/under-the-influence/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-the-paper-players-of-cyprus/ As for Chansiri once and for all dealing with the questions regarding the involvement of Doyen Sports, as follows... On the face of it, that does seem quite comprehensive. However, Paixao Amadeu is head of Foremost Sports, prior to that, Principal Sports and previously an agent for Doyen Sports. The careers of him and Doyen's founder, Nelio Lucas, are extensively intertwined. Whilst technically, formal links to that company may no longer exist, their respective histories cannot be so easily dismissed as no longer relevant. I'm not attempting to 'prove' that anyone is engaged in anything unethical or illegal. Even if they were, that would be rather beyond my scope to demonstrate. All I'm asking is that some supporters don't see blind faith as an essential duty for them to be considered loyal to the club. If you can read those links objectively (and I know that most won't bother but will remain strongly opinionated regardless) and if you can see what is unfolding at our club without unease, then good luck to you. Personally however, I think there are significant causes for concern that don't appear, publicly at least, to be troubling our chairman in the same way. I can well understand people not being interested in some of these finer points, even if I don't get how they can form such strong opinions with so little information. But given the situation the club is in at the moment, especially financially, surely some probing questions are justified? Thank you for posting those links Hopefully a few will have a read of them Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 A lot of words to not say a lot. Depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 hours ago, malek said: Really not interested in anything Dom Howson writes. He's not actually "written" anything on this occasion. It is an interview. Just a selection of questions requested by supporters and the answers given by Chansiri. Howson doesn't even offer an opinion on the answers. He can't be criticised for his journalistic skills because they are not being put to the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: He's not actually "written" anything on this occasion. It is an interview. Just a selection of questions requested by supporters and the answers given by Chansiri. Howson doesn't even offer an opinion on the answers. He can't be criticised for his journalistic skills because they are not being put to the test. He just printed them straight out of the propaganda machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, McRightSide said: He just printed them straight out of the propaganda machine. Aye, you could say he just printed what he was told. He couldn't really do owt else under the circumstances. The supporters wanted questions asked and he asked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Royal_D said: Yeah it’s not practicable to answer everyone, never will be For me I believe the face to face offers come about because whatever he puts out to the press nobody believes a word of and I think he believes it’s lost in the language barrier, there’s only so many times he can answer a question , how many fans forums do you wanna set up for people to ask the same questions about Paxaio ?? People have made there minds up on so many of the issues , it’s utterly utterly pointless any journo wether it’s DH , RS or anyone else asking these questions They have ALL been answered, from Paxaio , to the ticket prices , to why Almen flippingAbdi was signed People don’t believe him, there minds are made up , but they still cry out for these questions to be asked Baffles me sorry Has he kidnapped your daughter? Has he filmed you with prostitutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Has he kidnapped your daughter? Has he filmed you with prostitutes? If the answer to the second question is yes can you please post on here! Due to this lockdown I’ve completed pornhub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Thai bloke with a few million and hasn’t got a clue about football. Seems a good guy to advise for the likes of Doyen. The mystery collection of players that never play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 7 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I've not said much on Dom Howson having the only interview with Chansiri. It's questionable why Chansiri has excluded all the other press (Chris Holt, Rob Staton etc) and declined their interviews though But this suggestion from Dom Howson that we should be grateful we have Chansiri, and not to take him for granted because something like Charlton could happen to us.... That's going beyond independent reporting and is turning instead into a propaganda machine No wonder he's getting the exclusive interviews... Disgraceful. This. And even if everything at Wednesday was exceeding my expectations I'd still be jumping up and down about it. It's sinister as f**k and totally unhealthy. Doom should be embarrassed and ashamed that he's enabled DC with this way too cosy interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Chansiri says people should have facts when criticising him He also says anyone who has questions for him should contact him directly. Chris Holt, Rob Staton and numerous other journalists have done that and he's declined the discussion Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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