FreshOwl Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: You do know when they were both playing we were in the playoffs? And last time after jos left they came in and turned the form around as soon as they were back in the team? now if they have done something so bad it merits exclusion then fuckimg sack them. If it’s a battle of pride. It’s time to swallow the rascal u til we can replace them It’s 2 players who are part of the same failed group mate. Yes they might come back in and we win 1 or 2 but ultimately we’ll always end up back where we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, theowlsman said: Results or principles. Let’s principle ourselves down to League 1 and pat ourselves on the back for achieving it without Hutch or Westwood. Some of us know that as soon as Westwood and Hutch are back in the team, we start picking up points again. I’m only interested in points to be honest. And if either Westwood or Hutch have told Monk he’s clueless, why should they be punished for being astute? Sooner have principles. Lose them and you have nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissmess Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, theowlsman said: Results or principles. Let’s principle ourselves down to League 1 and pat ourselves on the back for achieving it without Hutch or Westwood. Some of us know that as soon as Westwood and Hutch are back in the team, we start picking up points again. I’m only interested in points to be honest. And if either Westwood or Hutch have told Monk he’s clueless, why should they be punished for being astute? spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, JoshTheOwl said: Sooner those 2 tail tugging tuggers are out this club the better. Assuming you mean Chansiri and Monk- thumbs up from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA55 IVE Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: nuhiu has been dropped by 3 managers. His he a trouble causes? im still waiting to see what Hutchinson and westwood have done before I judge them, let monk tell us what’s bad enough to be excluded from the squad, if it’s a disagreement then that happens at every club up and down the country. if you know for sure tell me Nuhui was dropped because of his footballing abilities in 99% sure as I think he's a terrible footballer. Westwood and Hutchinson are arguably our best two players and no manager in the right mind would drop these 2 and especially when we are desperate for points for this reason alone I assume that the manager must have been undermined or something serious must have kicked off. If the reason for our slump is down to these 2 then I seriously think the power they both hold is an issue and both should leave. These 2 players aren't our saviours they are both out of contact and then end of season I think and we all know they ain't getting a new contract. We need to let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, billyblack said: Sooner have principles. Lose them and you have nothing You have relegation mate, you can always cling on to that. Nothing personal btw billy. We just have different views mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Assuming you mean Chansiri and Monk- thumbs up from me. Well that would mean 4 people but thats also fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, MA55 IVE said: I assume Ass u me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Don’t know about anyone else but I’d like us to play our best XI and actually pick up some points No, it's far more important that squad discipline is maintained so we can keep achieving performances like we've seen since Christmas. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just make the two of them manager and assistant manager. It appears they wield a similar level of influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullOwlPhil Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Westwood was fúcking shíte earlier this season and Hutchinson played in 4 straight defeats before being dropped. But let's start picking them again and we'll win the league FFS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2roland2 said: You do know when they were both playing we were in the playoffs? And last time after jos left they came in and turned the form around as soon as they were back in the team? now if they have done something so bad it merits exclusion then fuckimg sack them. If it’s a battle of pride. It’s time to swallow the rascal u til we can replace them Tbh I doubt they’ve done anything that bad.. the things we know are that they both have struggled with niggling injuries throughout their careers.. it’s the reason Westwood was never really Ireland’s number 1 and the reason Hutchinson left Chelsea and had to retire. it seems to me from what’s said in press conferences that Jos firstly only wanted players who could train and play every day. That’s fair enough but the problem is, in terms of quality the other players we have in their positions are nowhere near the same standard nor are they as influential and nor are they winners. When Bruce came in, he was able to man manage these players and we got results. Carlos did the same. People like to judge everything on ‘are they putting a shift in’ but maybe they can’t 24/7 but can manage themselves so they can for 90 mins on a Saturday. King at Tottenham was the same for years... you have to make special exemptions for certain players. It sounds like Monk has taken the Jos line and made comments like ‘some players can push through the pain barrier and others can’t’ or words to that effect. tbh I just want to see us play well and win at the weekend. F*ck Monk’s ego.. he needs to manage these players properly and stop with the awful decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) Same two players, Two different managers. If it looks like poo and smells like poo then it’s probably poo !! Edited February 15, 2020 by Prince 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, theowlsman said: You have relegation mate, you can always cling on to that. Nothing personal btw billy. We just have different views mate. If they have disagreed with Monk or broken his rules then they dont play, its that simple. Sack Monk and then a new manager comes in and they repeat the same with that manager, then what. The manager has to have his rules, whatever they are, they follow, leave or dont play. Its that simple. A manager not sticking to his rules or standards or principles, whatever you call them, agree with them or not, isnt a manager anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I really am fed up of being right and nobody listening. It’s not like we haven’t been here before is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, 2roland2 said: who are they influencing? I’m still waiting to hear what they have done. Then I might judge them. If it’s a disagreement about monks ideas. I can understand why they might have spoken up. I was told by a pretty reliable source that the two of them (along with the Scottish CB) were binned off after being a disruptive influence. You can choose to believe that or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, billyblack said: If they have disagreed with Monk or broken his rules then they dont play, its that simple. Sack Monk and then a new manager comes in and they repeat the same with that manager, then what. The manager has to have his rules, whatever they are, they follow, leave or dont play. Its that simple. A manager not sticking to his rules or standards or principles, whatever you call them, agree with them or not, isnt a manager anymore. THIS!!!! People lament the culture within the club and yet seem perfectly comfortable with two senior players behaving like this. Bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, LondonOwl313 said: Tbh I doubt they’ve done anything that bad.. the things we know are that they both have struggled with niggling injuries throughout their careers.. it’s the reason Westwood was never really Ireland’s number 1 and the reason Hutchinson left Chelsea and had to retire. it seems to me from what’s said in press conferences that Jos firstly only wanted players who could train and play every day. That’s fair enough but the problem is, in terms of quality the other players we have in their positions are nowhere near the same standard nor are they as influential and nor are they winners. When Bruce came in, he was able to man manage these players and we got results. Carlos did the same. People like to judge everything on ‘are they putting a shift in’ but maybe they can’t 24/7 but can manage themselves so they can for 90 mins on a Saturday. King at Tottenham was the same for years... you have to make special exemptions for certain players. It sounds like Monk has taken the Jos line and made comments like ‘some players can push through the pain barrier and others can’t’ or words to that effect. tbh I just want to see us play well and win at the weekend. F*ck Monk’s ego.. he needs to manage these players properly and stop with the awful decisions. Its not about ego. He backs down and hes lost, its that straightforward, may as well let the players do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, SUPER OWLS O.K. said: And you do I suppose? Please share with everyone else... I don’t give a foook about personality clashes. A manager picks his strongest team and deals with the issues behind closed doors. But if a manager appears to make the most obvious mistakes when it comes to how to either deal with a stronger opposition or pressure a weaker opposition then any professional player with the experience they have will, I suspect, not be able to keep their gobs shut. But you don’t ‘deal’ with players half way through a season at the detriment to the ref of the team and club. Suggesting two naughty boys have created so much trouble that we’ve plummeted from 3rd to where we are now, and performances are as limp as lettuce, with a midfield that couldn’t dominate a sloth, is ridiculous. Managers manage...and results show and determine how well they are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, billyblack said: If they have disagreed with Monk or broken his rules then they dont play, its that simple. Sack Monk and then a new manager comes in and they repeat the same with that manager, then what. The manager has to have his rules, whatever they are, they follow, leave or dont play. Its that simple. A manager not sticking to his rules or standards or principles, whatever you call them, agree with them or not, isnt a manager anymore. They’ll be moved on in the summer. We have just over a dozen games left to pick up points and avoid relegation. Unless some are in denial this is now a season about avoiding relegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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