Next Steps for SAG saga

[crookesowl]

Feels we have a temporary solution enforced by SAG et al regarding the Leppings Lane exits from the ground. 

 

But, what can be done to properly fix it? 

 

Is it a case of fight the ruling and slowly return back to normal, or do we need demolition / construction? Is such work outside of FFP? If not surely we could argue the case to allow it outside of FFP due to safety. 

 

Either way it’s a reyt mess and there doesn’t appear to any plan. Which I hope is just because it’s all happening in private. 

[mogbad]

14 minutes ago, crookesowl said:

Feels we have a temporary solution enforced by SAG et al regarding the Leppings Lane exits from the ground. 

 

But, what can be done to properly fix it? 

 

Is it a case of fight the ruling and slowly return back to normal, or do we need demolition / construction? Is such work outside of FFP? If not surely we could argue the case to allow it outside of FFP due to safety. 

 

Either way it’s a reyt mess and there doesn’t appear to any plan. Which I hope is just because it’s all happening in private. 

 

I believe ground improvements/construction costs are disregarded for FFP/P&S purposes.

[Sham67]

18 minutes ago, mogbad said:

 

I believe ground improvements/construction costs are disregarded for FFP/P&S purposes.

 

Correct.

[crookesowl]

2 hours ago, mogbad said:

 

I believe ground improvements/construction costs are disregarded for FFP/P&S purposes.

 

2 hours ago, Sham67 said:

 

Correct.

 

In that case we should crack on with the work and get this sorted

[Buxtongent]

It would appear that the problems outside the Lepp end, are not, in the eyes of SAG/SYP, solely to the land outside the Lepp, but stretch onto the roadway outside, where away coaches park and are loaded. IF there is a problem there SYP are unable to handle it.

[Key]

21 minutes ago, crookesowl said:

 

 

In that case we should crack on with the work and get this sorted

 

How much spare cash have you got?

 

[cross owl]

Just found a document entitled . End game solution for Hillsborough stadium .

 

 

[MAL]

1 hour ago, cross owl said:

Just found a document entitled . End game solution for Hillsborough stadium .

 

 

 

Many a true word spoken in jest mate.

 

 

It is amazing, how many people oppose planning permission for buildings, even housing around their area.

 

Each and every one gives very, very good reasons as to why these should not go ahead.

 

But they always gain acceptance.

 

But if you dig deep enough, you can always find how why.

 

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

 

Funny thing is...

 

They want to put cameras up to watch your every move.

 

But they cannot hide from these cameras, who they socialise with themselves.

 

 

Karma is a Biatch as they say.

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by MAL

[cross owl]

1 hour ago, MAL said:

 

Many a true word spoken in jest mate.

 

 

It is amazing, how many people oppose planning permission for buildings, even housing around their area.

 

Each and every one gives very, very good reasons as to why these should not go ahead.

 

But they always gain acceptance.

 

But if you dig deep enough, you can always find how why.

 

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

 

Funny thing is...

 

They want to put cameras up to watch your every move.

 

But they cannot hide from these cameras, who they socialise with themselves.

 

 

Karma is a Biatch as they say.

 

 

 

  Problem is when you are high enough you can govern what happens to that information and only comes to light when someone equally high up wishes to use it for their own gain , or after they've slept with their other half 

[Buxtongent]

Where do they want to install cameras?. Most of the land, especially the 'high spots' must belong to SWFC. Is there any way in which they could force Wednesday to allow this, and, if not, would we give permission?  And  is so, would SAG impose other restrictions?

It goes to show the extent to which our personal liberties have been eroded.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

On 07/09/2019 at 12:22, Key said:

 

How much spare cash have you got?

 

This question should be directed at Chansiri..

[Guest Grez Bez]

Longer term we could move the away fans to the kop side of the south or north stand. I can't believe this is an issue, it's no different than any other ground.

[S36 OWL]

On 07/09/2019 at 16:05, MAL said:

 

Many a true word spoken in jest mate.

 

 

It is amazing, how many people oppose planning permission for buildings, even housing around their area.

 

Each and every one gives very, very good reasons as to why these should not go ahead.

 

But they always gain acceptance.

 

But if you dig deep enough, you can always find how why.

 

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

 

Funny thing is...

 

They want to put cameras up to watch your every move.

 

But they cannot hide from these cameras, who they socialise with themselves.

 

 

Karma is a Biatch as they say.

 

 

Backhanders from big developers have always helped persuede planners to approve their applications. 

[ChapSmurf]

16 hours ago, Buxtongent said:

Where do they want to install cameras?. Most of the land, especially the 'high spots' must belong to SWFC. Is there any way in which they could force Wednesday to allow this, and, if not, would we give permission?  And  is so, would SAG impose other restrictions?

It goes to show the extent to which our personal liberties have been eroded.

 

I think @MAL was explaining the irony of the fact that Governments want to "watch their people" but end up being watched themsleves, through the very same technology they introduced. I don't think he was stating SAG/SYP want to put cameras up.

[Buxtongent]

 

1 hour ago, ChapSmurf said:

 

I think @MAL was explaining the irony of the fact that Governments want to "watch their people" but end up being watched themsleves, through the very same technology they introduced. I don't think he was stating SAG/SYP want to put cameras up.

 

It's amazing the information Governments and various other authorities have on you already on you For instance, I've heard it quoted often that with regard to cars, the police can either trace the owner or break into a car in SECONDS. And listen to any cold-callers. They already have your Name, Address, phone no., post code etc. I would imagine that what SAG/SYP might want to install cameras for is for the purpose of identify any trouble/makers and to assist in crowd control

I was always one of those who liked to 'get away quickly' and helped to cause, inadvertently, some of the scrabbles one sees. I cannot move quickly now and so am among the later ones out of the ground. With games ending around 4.45-4.55,  I can make my way after the crowd has disperesd, and have often been going past the Kop end at 5.15, and the stewards are frequently closing and locking the exit gates - crowd gone! Maybe we all want to slow down a little and take our time rather than push and shove to try to be first out. 

[Brommers]

On ‎07‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 09:27, mogbad said:

 

I believe ground improvements/construction costs are disregarded for FFP/P&S purposes.

It's not our ground so shouldn't matter anyway.

In fact, as tenants can't we force the landlord to get it in order at their own expense. Any idea who they are?

[ChapSmurf]

58 minutes ago, Buxtongent said:

 

 

It's amazing the information Governments and various other authorities have on you already on you For instance, I've heard it quoted often that with regard to cars, the police can either trace the owner or break into a car in SECONDS. And listen to any cold-callers. They already have your Name, Address, phone no., post code etc. I would imagine that what SAG/SYP might want to install cameras for is for the purpose of identify any trouble/makers and to assist in crowd control

I was always one of those who liked to 'get away quickly' and helped to cause, inadvertently, some of the scrabbles one sees. I cannot move quickly now and so am among the later ones out of the ground. With games ending around 4.45-4.55,  I can make my way after the crowd has disperesd, and have often been going past the Kop end at 5.15, and the stewards are frequently closing and locking the exit gates - crowd gone! Maybe we all want to slow down a little and take our time rather than push and shove to try to be first out. 

 

I think that one statement there should be applied as a universal law. We all rush around way too much and part of that reason is the technology we now use. Everything is so instantaneous.

 

And Governments have way much more than that on the majority of us. But it's not the Governments who control the world anymore: that is the job of the Global giants, like Google, Apple and Facebook, who control so much personal data, that they can profile so many people, with almost total accuracy. They wield so much power they can tell Governments to go screw themselves when it comes to paying taxes and even influence law. They know your age, your next of kin, your social status, where you work, what you do, what you eat, what you like and dislike. Where you have been and when, and who else was there with you. They are watching us while we sleep. Phones can be powered up, and microphones and cameras enabled, without the owners knowledge. And this is just the tip of a very very big iceberg. My line of work takes me very close to this kind of thing, and has in the past taken me right to it. It's quite scary to be honest because in the wrong hands, it will be carnage.

 

I maybe didn't explain myself before. I don't think MAL was suggesting that SYP/SAG want to install cameras. To be honest, they do not have the authority to be able to do that, or enforce that, on private land. He was merely saying "they..." (I think referring to a body in a position of authority, like a Government, Council or Police Force) "...want to put up cameras" meaning that cameras are going up everywhere, all the time, because these authorities want to catch us out, but yet they catch themselves out at the same time. So for instance, a minister might get caught doing something he or she shouldn't, by the very cameras installed to watch the public. I think that is what was meant.

Edited September 9, 2019 by ChapSmurf

[MAL]

40 minutes ago, ChapSmurf said:

 

I think that one statement there should be applied as a universal law. We all rush around way too much and part of that reason is the technology we now use. Everything is so instantaneous.

 

And Governments have way much more than that on the majority of us. But it's not the Governments who control the world anymore: that is the job of the Global giants, like Google, Apple and Facebook, who control so much personal data, that they can profile so many people, with almost total accuracy. They wield so much power they can tell Governments to go screw themselves when it comes to paying taxes and even influence law. They know your age, your next of kin, your social status, where you work, what you do, what you eat, what you like and dislike. Where you have been and when, and who else was there with you. They are watching us while we sleep. Phones can be powered up, and microphones and cameras enabled, without the owners knowledge. And this is just the tip of a very very big iceberg. My line of work takes me very close to this kind of thing, and has in the past taken me right to it. It's quite scary to be honest because in the wrong hands, it will be carnage.

 

I maybe didn't explain myself before. I don't think MAL was suggesting that SYP/SAG want to install cameras. To be honest, they do not have the authority to be able to do that, or enforce that, on private land. He was merely saying "they..." (I think referring to a body in a position of authority, like a Government, Council or Police Force) "...want to put up cameras" meaning that cameras are going up everywhere, all the time, because these authorities want to catch us out, but yet they catch themselves out at the same time. So for instance, a minister might get caught doing something he or she shouldn't, by the very cameras installed to watch the public. I think that is what was meant.

 

To avoid any more confusion, regarding my post and the camera part.

 

ChapSmuf has it spot on.

 

He has replied far better than i could have.

 

 

[Grassy knoll]

If this doesn’t get sorted soon and it probably won’t, I wonder if swfc could buy the 5 or so terraced houses on Leppings Lane flatten um and then use the space to have either better segregation in/out of the ground or redevelop the away end.

[tarn owl]

On 07/09/2019 at 16:05, MAL said:

 

Many a true word spoken in jest mate.

 

 

It is amazing, how many people oppose planning permission for buildings, even housing around their area.

 

Each and every one gives very, very good reasons as to why these should not go ahead.

 

But they always gain acceptance.

 

But if you dig deep enough, you can always find how why.

 

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

 

Funny thing is...

 

They want to put cameras up to watch your every move.

 

But they cannot hide from these cameras, who they socialise with themselves.

 

 

Karma is a Biatch as they say.

 

Mind blown. That's deep.