Stats.

[Jim]

This season under Jos :-

P 22 - W 6 - D 6 - L 10 - GF 26 - GA 40

GD -14 - CS 2 - Pts 24

 

Since Jos Left :-

P 22 - W 10 - D 9 - L 3 - GF 30 - GA 17

GD 13 - CS 12 - Pts 39

 

To say it’s quite a contrast is an understatement.

[tarn owl]

So if we had the same form spread over 44 games we would be on 78 points currently, which would stick us in 4th. It shows how well Bruce has done and what could happen with a good pre-season this summer. Bruce seems like a cracking hire. If we can just leave him to the job i think eventually he will get us up. Might take 1 year, might take 3-5, but i can't think of anyone else better to get us up eventually.

[alanharper]

The Championship form table since Jos left (Villa have had to win the last 10 in a row to get above us in it, and they were bloody lucky to beat us as part of that run) :

 

 

 

#	Club			W	D	L	Goals	+/-	Pts
1		Sheffield Utd.	22	14	6	2	39:13	26	48
2		Norwich	22	12	8	2	49:29	20	44
3		Aston Villa	22	12	6	4	37:24	13	42
4		Sheff Wed	22	10	9	3	28:17	11	39
5		West Brom	22	11	5	6	38:27	11	38
6		Leeds	22	12	1	9	34:28	6	37
7		Brentford	22	10	6	6	36:25	11	36
8		Bristol City	21	10	6	5	29:23	6	36
9		Hull City	22	11	3	8	40:35	5	36
10		Preston NE	22	9	5	8	29:24	5	32
11		Middlesbrough	22	9	4	9	21:23	-2	31
12		Swansea	21	9	3	9	33:33	0	30
13		Derby	21	7	8	6	32:28	4	29
14		Birmingham	22	7	7	8	31:30	1	28
15		Blackburn	22	9	1	12	32:32	0	28
16		Reading	22	6	9	7	21:29	-8	27
17		Nottm Forest	22	7	4	11	27:32	-5	25
18		Millwall	21	6	6	9	19:23	-4	24
19		Wigan	22	5	8	9	26:33	-7	23
20		Stoke City	22	4	10	8	14:23	-9	22
21		Rotherham	22	4	6	12	28:46	-18	18
22		QPR	22	4	5	13	24:37	-13	17
23		Ipswich	22	2	8	12	15:36	-21	14
24		Bolton	22	4	2	16	14:46	-32	14

 

 

 

 

 

[Quist]

If a team goes on a good run it gains momentum and I think over prolonged period our return would go up slightly. this is because boss gets to know players and players understand what is required far better. I could not see reading holding us to a draw in last month for example.

[Jim]

55 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said:

This season under Jos :-

P 22 - W 6 - D 6 - L 10 - GF 26 - GA 40

GD -14 - CS 2 - Pts 24

 

Since Jos Left :-

P 22 - W 10 - D 9 - L 3 - GF 30 - GA 17

GD 13 - CS 12 - Pts 39

 

To say it’s quite a contrast is an understatement.

 

I got the goals for wrong under Jos. It’s actually 28 goals scored. So the GD was - 12 and Not -14.

 

As @alanharper’s table shows we’ve also scored 28 since and have a GD of 11.

[nethertonowl]

1 hour ago, Great Big Galaa said:

This season under Jos :-

P 22 - W 6 - D 6 - L 10 - GF 26 - GA 40

GD -14 - CS 2 - Pts 24

 

Since Jos Left :-

P 22 - W 10 - D 9 - L 3 - GF 30 - GA 17

GD 13 - CS 12 - Pts 39

 

To say it’s quite a contrast is an understatement.

Even more impressive if you add back two points Norwich didn’t deserve, Two WBA and two Villa robbed  off us! 

[dumboldowl]

29 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said:

 

I got the goals for wrong under Jos. It’s actually 28 goals scored. So the GD was - 12 and Not -14.

 

As @alanharper’s table shows we’ve also scored 28 since and have a GD of 11.

I find these stats very interesting, but please ignore my ignorance when I ask what CS represents?

[SwissOwl8200]

Clean sheets, innit?  Took me a while too

[dumboldowl]

42 minutes ago, SwissOwl8200 said:

Clean sheets, innit?  Took me a while too

 

Yes, of course.

 

But when you've almost qualified for the O.B.E. (Over Bloody Eighty), you tend not to grasp these things.  In fact you tend not to grasp anything at all !

[Pale Rider]

6 hours ago, Great Big Galaa said:

This season under Jos :-

P 22 - W 6 - D 6 - L 10 - GF 26 - GA 40

GD -14 - CS 2 - Pts 24

 

Since Jos Left :-

P 22 - W 10 - D 9 - L 3 - GF 30 - GA 17

GD 13 - CS 12 - Pts 39

 

To say it’s quite a contrast is an understatement.

I’m a big SB fan, but the point shouldn’t be lost that during the cricket sabbatical, our form was  also much better than under Jos. It’s scary the guy with the tash  actually had supporters. 

He turned us into a laughing stock. 

Edited April 23, 2019 by Pale Rider

[Owls2k]

16 hours ago, dumboldowl said:

I find these stats very interesting, but please ignore my ignorance when I ask what CS represents?

And take off the point we stole at Rotherham

[Guest Hirst1867]

11 hours ago, Pale Rider said:

I’m a big SB fan, but the point shouldn’t be lost that during the cricket sabbatical, our form was  also much better than under Jos. It’s scary the guy with the tash  actually had supporters. 

He turned us into a laughing stock. 

 

Yes - has anybody heard from DJ Mortimer at all?

[Sova]

11 hours ago, Pale Rider said:

I’m a big SB fan, but the point shouldn’t be lost that during the cricket sabbatical, our form was  also much better than under Jos. It’s scary the guy with the tash  actually had supporters. 

He turned us into a laughing stock. 

 

After we beat Bristol City, we were 6th with 19 points from 12 games. In the last 10 games of the previous season, we picked up 19. So we'd picked up 38 points from the previous 22 games. And we were promoting youth too, which Carlos had been criticised for not doing. All this despite (or, with regard to youth, because of) a transfer embargo. Of course, prior to that our initial form under Jos was relegation form, but after that Bristol City game he certainly seemed to have turned things around. Incidentally, despite the lack of clean sheets we also had a positive goal difference. Unfortunately, it turned out that we were in the middle of a period of 11 games, none of which we would have expected to win. Notably, we ran into both QPR and Birmingham when they were on form, and were then walloped by Norwich after a shocking second-half performance. That meant we'd lost the last 4 games and slumped to 17th in the table. Not only did we still not have any clean sheets, we'd started conceding hatfuls. Suddenly, playing youth seemed at best naive. A 0-0 draw at the Pigs was a relief more than anything, but this was followed by another defeat, at home to Derby, our 5th tough home game in a row (following Leeds, West Brom, Boro and Norwich). After this, we finally had an easy game, at home to Bolton, and won, but hardly convincingly. Our form was still poor, so it was hardly a surprise that we lost the next two away games, which sandwiched a draw at home to Rotherham where we were also rubbish. Furthermore, having finally managed a couple of clean sheets, we were now conceding badly again, and of course things came to a head.

 

I think there are a lot of 'what ifs' with Jos. What if we'd held on v West Brom? What if Tom Lees hadn't made such an uncharacteristic mistake v Middlesbrough? What if it hadn't taken us so long to keep a clean sheet? What if the fixture list had not thrown us such a run of difficult games? To be sure, Steve Bruce looks like a big improvement right now. But there was a time when Jos looked like the answer too.

[matthefish2002]

Think Bruce is a really good manager at this level but we cant just expect this seasons current form to carry on automatically next season.

A lot depends on the coming and goings this summer, always a good chance with a lot of player turnover things will take a few months to bed in.

We had a good run for last couple of months this season and it all went sour.

[alanharper]

40 minutes ago, Sova said:

 

After we beat Bristol City, we were 6th with 19 points from 12 games. In the last 10 games of the previous season, we picked up 19. So we'd picked up 38 points from the previous 22 games. And we were promoting youth too, which Carlos had been criticised for not doing. All this despite (or, with regard to youth, because of) a transfer embargo. Of course, prior to that our initial form under Jos was relegation form, but after that Bristol City game he certainly seemed to have turned things around. Incidentally, despite the lack of clean sheets we also had a positive goal difference. Unfortunately, it turned out that we were in the middle of a period of 11 games, none of which we would have expected to win. Notably, we ran into both QPR and Birmingham when they were on form, and were then walloped by Norwich after a shocking second-half performance. That meant we'd lost the last 4 games and slumped to 17th in the table. Not only did we still not have any clean sheets, we'd started conceding hatfuls. Suddenly, playing youth seemed at best naive. A 0-0 draw at the Pigs was a relief more than anything, but this was followed by another defeat, at home to Derby, our 5th tough home game in a row (following Leeds, West Brom, Boro and Norwich). After this, we finally had an easy game, at home to Bolton, and won, but hardly convincingly. Our form was still poor, so it was hardly a surprise that we lost the next two away games, which sandwiched a draw at home to Rotherham where we were also rubbish. Furthermore, having finally managed a couple of clean sheets, we were now conceding badly again, and of course things came to a head.

 

I think there are a lot of 'what ifs' with Jos. What if we'd held on v West Brom? What if Tom Lees hadn't made such an uncharacteristic mistake v Middlesbrough? What if it hadn't taken us so long to keep a clean sheet? What if the fixture list had not thrown us such a run of difficult games? To be sure, Steve Bruce looks like a big improvement right now. But there was a time when Jos looked like the answer too.

 

What if he'd picked the senior players he'd fallen out with

 

[Nero]

2 hours ago, Sova said:

 

After we beat Bristol City, we were 6th with 19 points from 12 games. In the last 10 games of the previous season, we picked up 19. So we'd picked up 38 points from the previous 22 games. And we were promoting youth too, which Carlos had been criticised for not doing. All this despite (or, with regard to youth, because of) a transfer embargo. Of course, prior to that our initial form under Jos was relegation form, but after that Bristol City game he certainly seemed to have turned things around. Incidentally, despite the lack of clean sheets we also had a positive goal difference. Unfortunately, it turned out that we were in the middle of a period of 11 games, none of which we would have expected to win. Notably, we ran into both QPR and Birmingham when they were on form, and were then walloped by Norwich after a shocking second-half performance. That meant we'd lost the last 4 games and slumped to 17th in the table. Not only did we still not have any clean sheets, we'd started conceding hatfuls. Suddenly, playing youth seemed at best naive. A 0-0 draw at the Pigs was a relief more than anything, but this was followed by another defeat, at home to Derby, our 5th tough home game in a row (following Leeds, West Brom, Boro and Norwich). After this, we finally had an easy game, at home to Bolton, and won, but hardly convincingly. Our form was still poor, so it was hardly a surprise that we lost the next two away games, which sandwiched a draw at home to Rotherham where we were also rubbish. Furthermore, having finally managed a couple of clean sheets, we were now conceding badly again, and of course things came to a head.

 

I think there are a lot of 'what ifs' with Jos. What if we'd held on v West Brom? What if Tom Lees hadn't made such an uncharacteristic mistake v Middlesbrough? What if it hadn't taken us so long to keep a clean sheet? What if the fixture list had not thrown us such a run of difficult games? To be sure, Steve Bruce looks like a big improvement right now. But there was a time when Jos looked like the answer too.

You are right of course, but being right isn't relevant in this case.

History is written at the end of the war not in the middle and that's when we will ultimately judge Bruce too. 

As Napoleon allegedly said, dont give me good generals, give me lucky generals.

 

[flo]

22 hours ago, nethertonowl said:

Even more impressive if you add back two points Norwich didn’t deserve, Two WBA and two Villa robbed  off us! 

We didn't deserve them points because we let in goals

[Pale Rider]

9 hours ago, Sova said:

 

After we beat Bristol City, we were 6th with 19 points from 12 games. In the last 10 games of the previous season, we picked up 19. So we'd picked up 38 points from the previous 22 games. And we were promoting youth too, which Carlos had been criticised for not doing. All this despite (or, with regard to youth, because of) a transfer embargo. Of course, prior to that our initial form under Jos was relegation form, but after that Bristol City game he certainly seemed to have turned things around. Incidentally, despite the lack of clean sheets we also had a positive goal difference. Unfortunately, it turned out that we were in the middle of a period of 11 games, none of which we would have expected to win. Notably, we ran into both QPR and Birmingham when they were on form, and were then walloped by Norwich after a shocking second-half performance. That meant we'd lost the last 4 games and slumped to 17th in the table. Not only did we still not have any clean sheets, we'd started conceding hatfuls. Suddenly, playing youth seemed at best naive. A 0-0 draw at the Pigs was a relief more than anything, but this was followed by another defeat, at home to Derby, our 5th tough home game in a row (following Leeds, West Brom, Boro and Norwich). After this, we finally had an easy game, at home to Bolton, and won, but hardly convincingly. Our form was still poor, so it was hardly a surprise that we lost the next two away games, which sandwiched a draw at home to Rotherham where we were also rubbish. Furthermore, having finally managed a couple of clean sheets, we were now conceding badly again, and of course things came to a head.

 

I think there are a lot of 'what ifs' with Jos. What if we'd held on v West Brom? What if Tom Lees hadn't made such an uncharacteristic mistake v Middlesbrough? What if it hadn't taken us so long to keep a clean sheet? What if the fixture list had not thrown us such a run of difficult games? To be sure, Steve Bruce looks like a big improvement right now. But there was a time when Jos looked like the answer too.

Always judge a team by performance not result. That is the true measure of your long term future.