darra Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Reallondonowl said: Yep thank god Ferguson didnt give Beckham his chance ahead of more established players at United, eh ? oh, hold on a minute....... Football was different in those days not full of proven overseas players for a start. Would an unproven Beckham be given a chance over a proven overseas player these days. He'd probably get half a dozen starts a season if he was lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 If first team football was Hirst Jnrs main issue then he wouldn't allegedly be joining Man U, Leicester etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Oh and I'll take that as a no (You've never seen him play) @MuddyFunkster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 The people saying get rid of the academy got me thinking (there may be trouble ahead ). I don't think it would benefit us in any way, for one simple reason. It would impact on the fan numbers in the long run, because we are a 2 club city. Later on down the line, if the only choice is to go across to the dark side, family and friends start going to watch them (which i think has already happened to a certain extent, because of the success with their academy, also the child prices), which then extrapolates to give the upper hand to them. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, SiJ said: If first team football was Hirst Jnrs main issue then he wouldn't allegedly be joining Man U, Leicester etc. Exactly . You just get the feeling money is the driving factor here, not football. And for that , i blame agents ,filling these kids heads with poundsigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Exactly . You just get the feeling money is the driving factor here, not football. And for that , i blame agents ,filling these kids heads with poundsigns. Yep. I mean I don't have an issue per se with him wanting to earn as much as possible whilst he can. It's a short career and he stands to make sums of money which will set himself up for life. Let's not kid ourselves though that this is down to a lack of first team opportunities. If he does join Man U or even Leicester then he's back with the Under 23s or going out on loan in League One or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, SiJ said: Oh and I'll take that as a no (You've never seen him play) @MuddyFunkster Yes if you mean George I’ve seen him play a couple of times, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 On 4/11/2018 at 19:55, gurujuan said: Producing that sort of talent isn’t easy They aren’t anywhere near the finished article, but the fact that they are on the radar of the big clubs, shows they have real promise So what will happen? Our best two young prospects walk away for zilch, or just a bit of compensation, meanwhile we’ll be stuck with a load of crap, on big money, with no prospect of any takers What’s changed, we’re still make no the same mistakes aren’t we What do you suggest the club does? The two players in question are out of contract and are free to leave. You seem to believe Man Utd and Spurs are after Hirst and Clare respectively. No matter what we offer, you really think we can complete with those clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 2 hours ago, MAL said: The people saying get rid of the academy got me thinking (there may be trouble ahead ). I don't think it would benefit us in any way, for one simple reason. It would impact on the fan numbers in the long run, because we are a 2 club city. Later on down the line, if the only choice is to go across to the dark side, family and friends start going to watch them (which i think has already happened to a certain extent, because of the success with their academy, also the child prices), which then extrapolates to give the upper hand to them. Just a thought. Anyone who can "switch sides" doesn't belong at Hillsborough regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Anyone who can "switch sides" doesn't belong at Hillsborough regardless! Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I liked the look of Sean Clare in a few of the games he played and you could see he had something. Being a young player he also had a few games that passed him by. You would hope that the young players can now see a pathway into the first team and agree as part of the player's development we loan them out to L1 and L2 clubs where possible. I don't agree with paying over the odds to retain a young player and if they can't buy into the vision of the club then we'll all move on and keep the youngsters that want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Huddersfield, with their binning of their academy, will slink back down the ladder soon enough without that internal foundation to sustain them But the reason they canned their academy is because it hasn't produced for them - they realised that they got to the premier by a different model entirely with no input from the academy When they did the audit and ran the numbers they decided they were literally just throwing money away on an unproductive academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea Baggins Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, scram said: But the reason they canned their academy is because it hasn't produced for them - they realised that they got to the premier by a different model entirely with no input from the academy When they did the audit and ran the numbers they decided they were literally just throwing money away on an unproductive academy Really? Shame really as that canalside is a top set up. Surely increasing scouting etc... would solve that? We are a testament to that point. Wagner won't be there much longer imo and then what?? Edited April 16, 2018 by GHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djorkaeff Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Yes but Man City have more scouts in Huddersfield than Huddersfield. Should they miss miss one or Huddersfield get a late developer he’ll likely do a George Hirst or Stirling and run off anyway. Theyre left paying for players who aren’t good enough. Better to to have an u23 and pick player up closer to the first team. The top 10 sides will take all the academy players worth having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 They're a Cat 4 - so the money they have is used to buy young scholars and young pro players Makes sense to me tbh Nobody can spot an 8 year old who will play in the premier league - much more likely to spot a 17yr old who might - so even though that player might cost it seems a much better use of resources to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea Baggins Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Yeah fair point. Why is it working so much better for us now than previous years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Recruitment and resources I expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANJO59 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 The downside to it working for us now is they seem to want to leave for whatever reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djorkaeff Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, BANJO59 said: The downside to it working for us now is they seem to want to leave for whatever reason Err the good ones are leaving so it’s not working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 57 minutes ago, scram said: But the reason they canned their academy is because it hasn't produced for them - they realised that they got to the premier by a different model entirely with no input from the academy When they did the audit and ran the numbers they decided they were literally just throwing money away on an unproductive academy I'd have rather righted an unproductive academy rather than binned it entirely. Smacks of short-termism cost-cutting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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