Oddschecker

[Quist]

3 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said:

Q. In your professional opinion do you actually think this market is for real ?

Having known CW for sometime he must be rather amused to see his name on this list.

Only my opinion, but the next manager odds market is just another way for the scumbag bookies to fleece the mug punter.

Ravinelli ? Really ?

Firstly I do not bet on this type of market as unless you are in the know its a stab in the dark.

Its a real market but are some of the names realistic absolutely not. Use Gus Poyet as an example his reputation as a manager and person not great and has had good opportunities with decent clubs and has failed. He does not fit the profile the Chairman would want and can not see the fans being happy so why his he a short price in all honesty no idea. Its possible his agents have reacted to vacancy and he has put his name forward and have had a bet with leading firms so we may start discussing him. The same would apply with some of the other names on the list most have had a job and failed so looking for an opportunity where they can start again. Contrary to some folks views Wednesday are a potentially big club, have a wealthy Chairman who on previous form his prepared to give an unkhown a real chance. Therefore some of names will be genuine in agents trying to get them employed at a club which is one step away from promised land with a fair to good chance at reaching it. Other names will have been placed on list by bookmakers who when trying to establish a market look for potential candidates, former players etc. The length of the list and number of names is quite extraordinary Skybet have now extended list and severla more names could be added to the list shortly. Sometimes it is a name which you think is probable but is missing from list that can be the most telling as bookies do not want to lose money. This looks comprehensive list to me and in truth I think no decision has been made and no one knows at this point.

i will keep an eye on them who are currently in employment who have been quoted in the lists,especially if they fit the profile we are looking for.

Yes they fleece punters because most bet emotionally.

[the mighty wednesday]

1 hour ago, Quist said:

Several have said that but when they see whats involved they are not always keen. i did it part time for over 20 years and been full time for about 12 years.

Key for me is specialization in certain areas.

I used to be a tipster specialising in handicaps up to a mile. I used to compile my own ratings and form an odds line. I had spreadsheets coming out of my ears yet people still think you waltz around all day until you fancy a dabble. I stopped doing it as the turf season has too much racing to keep on top of the ratings and producing the output for the tipping service. I just bet for myself now as it is easier than carrying the weight of expectation along with my own psychological battles!!!

I rarely tell people what I do. Some, like you say, think it is easy,. Some think you are a shyster. Even my next door neighbour told me it was no way to make a living. Some pester you for tips. A guy texted me every day for a week wanting a tip. I gave him a 4/1 tip with my usual words of caution and it came second beaten a nose by a 25/1 shot. I knew he wouldn't text again and sure enough he didn't. I resisted the temptation of texting him a couple of months later when the same horse won at 80 on Betfair 

What area do you specialise in? I hope you are more efficient in managing your workload than I have ever been!!

 

[Dronfield Blue]

10 minutes ago, Quist said:

Firstly I do not bet on this type of market as unless you are in the know its a stab in the dark.

Its a real market but are some of the names realistic absolutely not. Use Gus Poyet as an example his reputation as a manager and person not great and has had good opportunities with decent clubs and has failed. He does not fit the profile the Chairman would want and can not see the fans being happy so why his he a short price in all honesty no idea. Its possible his agents have reacted to vacancy and he has put his name forward and have had a bet with leading firms so we may start discussing him. The same would apply with some of the other names on the list most have had a job and failed so looking for an opportunity where they can start again. Contrary to some folks views Wednesday are a potentially big club, have a wealthy Chairman who on previous form his prepared to give an unkhown a real chance. Therefore some of names will be genuine in agents trying to get them employed at a club which is one step away from promised land with a fair to good chance at reaching it. Other names will have been placed on list by bookmakers who when trying to establish a market look for potential candidates, former players etc. The length of the list and number of names is quite extraordinary Skybet have now extended list and severla more names could be added to the list shortly. Sometimes it is a name which you think is probable but is missing from list that can be the most telling as bookies do not want to lose money. This looks comprehensive list to me and in truth I think no decision has been made and no one knows at this point.

i will keep an eye on them who are currently in employment who have been quoted in the lists,especially if they fit the profile we are looking for.

Yes they fleece punters because most bet emotionally.

 

I bet on us signing Jordan Rhodes, an emotional bet as you say.

 

I also bet on Donald Trump for next US president, that wasn't emotional, it was based an a very poor opposition candidate.

 

As far as our next manager goes, I'd like you to keep us updated with your views, which I find very interesting . I'm not a gambler really, but if I was I'd take any emotion out of a bet, so won't be having a bet on our next manager. (unless you give us an in the know nod)  

[the mighty wednesday]

I'd much prefer we got a "competent" manager in now, rather than a stop gap, as he needs to use January strategically to compliment the summer window. I don't really know who we should bring in. Although there are those who I am prejudiced against I don't want to be too prescriptive as I remember not being too keen when we appointed Ron Atkinson.

[WBridgfordowl]

Pulls on there at 66-1?

[WalthamOwl]

See AVB is also now in the betting even though he recently announced he is quitting football and taking up rally driving. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:

See AVB is also now in the betting even though he recently announced he is quitting football and taking up rally driving. 

 

Shows how ridiculous these markets are 

[Swiss Toni]

9 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:

See AVB is also now in the betting even though he recently announced he is quitting football and taking up rally driving. 

 

Even with that admission from AVB I guarantee people are still putting money on him so the bookies won't say no I don't want your money.

 

[Quist]

36 minutes ago, the mighty wednesday said:

I used to be a tipster specialising in handicaps up to a mile. I used to compile my own ratings and form an odds line. I had spreadsheets coming out of my ears yet people still think you waltz around all day until you fancy a dabble. I stopped doing it as the turf season has too much racing to keep on top of the ratings and producing the output for the tipping service. I just bet for myself now as it is easier than carrying the weight of expectation along with my own psychological battles!!!

I rarely tell people what I do. Some, like you say, think it is easy,. Some think you are a shyster. Even my next door neighbour told me it was no way to make a living. Some pester you for tips. A guy texted me every day for a week wanting a tip. I gave him a 4/1 tip with my usual words of caution and it came second beaten a nose by a 25/1 shot. I knew he wouldn't text again and sure enough he didn't. I resisted the temptation of texting him a couple of months later when the same horse won at 80 on Betfair 

What area do you specialise in? I hope you are more efficient in managing your workload than I have ever been!!

 

Flat turf grade 1 races and better handicaps, better horses run true to form. I have own handicap basically horses rated 85 and above do not bother with horses below this. Requires watching all races and making assessments. Have rest in winter as is very tim demanding from April to October. Ignore all all weather racing except 2 yro maidens. Tend to have 350 to 300 bets a year sometimes less.

Also have done Olympics and other periodic games as there is not good knowledge on minority sports out in wild and good profits to be made.

Done some spread betting on live football as was small but easy money to be made from live games mainly Spanish.

My neighbour is antique dealer and he was amazed how much work there is when i took him through what was involved. Tipping dangerous if you give somebody tip they tell all mates and price gone.

Folks that know me think I still work as computer security specialist. When you tell people they either find it interesting or do not believe you and both usually want to ask loads of questions.

My background is mathematics and majority of guys in game i know usually have this background.

[Quist]

46 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said:

 

I bet on us signing Jordan Rhodes, an emotional bet as you say.

 

I also bet on Donald Trump for next US president, that wasn't emotional, it was based an a very poor opposition candidate.

 

As far as our next manager goes, I'd like you to keep us updated with your views, which I find very interesting . I'm not a gambler really, but if I was I'd take any emotion out of a bet, so won't be having a bet on our next manager. (unless you give us an in the know nod)  

I bet on Trump as well and also for a Brexit vote as most people I spoke to in UK were voting out from quite different backgrounds. Tlked to a couple of US friends and they said Trumps rallies were packed and no interest in hillary looked into it and you could see what was happening.

Only thing I can work out so far from betting is DC is using knowledge acquired in first two seasons in Championship looking at who has done well. I do not live in Sheffield so do not get any gossip on club. Will notice if moves in betting or trends.

[lukestheman82]

3 hours ago, Quist said:

I am a professional gambler for a living and speak to folks who have interests in and around betting, There was money for McClaren from known sources but then message came back not on as reason per above. can not say its definite but something triggered money so Star saying meeting took place is likely to be true and with both sides saying nothing happen its probable.

Whats your take on Arbitrage betting?

[Bark1062]

3 hours ago, Quist said:

I am a professional gambler for a living and speak to folks who have interests in and around betting, There was money for McClaren from known sources but then message came back not on as reason per above. can not say its definite but something triggered money so Star saying meeting took place is likely to be true and with both sides saying nothing happen its probable.

You work in the city gambling with other people’s money?

[Quist]

6 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said:

Whats your take on Arbitrage betting?

I have never been involved in it. It looks possible to do and achieve a steady income. however the monitoring of markets and checking odds is very time consuming. Also some professionals involved have extremely powerful computers who take advantage of opportunities immediately so unless you are equally tooled up by the time you go back odds may have changed. There is also a question of how much capital you need to undertake such a venture. To work full time doing this i would think it would need to be quite large. If for just a small return you could probably get away with smaller sum but think you would be well into for figures of capital required. I am not involved and may be wrong but not for me.

[the mighty wednesday]

52 minutes ago, Quist said:

Flat turf grade 1 races and better handicaps, better horses run true to form. I have own handicap basically horses rated 85 and above do not bother with horses below this. Requires watching all races and making assessments. Have rest in winter as is very tim demanding from April to October. Ignore all all weather racing except 2 yro maidens. Tend to have 350 to 300 bets a year sometimes less.

Also have done Olympics and other periodic games as there is not good knowledge on minority sports out in wild and good profits to be made.

Done some spread betting on live football as was small but easy money to be made from live games mainly Spanish.

My neighbour is antique dealer and he was amazed how much work there is when i took him through what was involved. Tipping dangerous if you give somebody tip they tell all mates and price gone.

Folks that know me think I still work as computer security specialist. When you tell people they either find it interesting or do not believe you and both usually want to ask loads of questions.

My background is mathematics and majority of guys in game i know usually have this background.

I'm the opposite. I agree that better horses run truer to form but I generally look for horses with back form in lower grade races. I too watched all the races making allowances for trips, draw and pace etc. I basically look for anything that they don't mention on TV or when I disagree with the in running comments. I get the impression you are good at spotting when a 2/1 shot should be 6/4 or something like that. I'm not good at that level. I like to back 5/1 shots at double figures. It does lead to self recrimination though when I back something as I think it is value at 13 on Betfair and it wins at 22 like I did yesterday. and didn't top up my bet.

When I was tipping I used to do one sometimes two races a day. I'd put up 3/4 horses to back at advised prices if possible. It would average out between 1 and 2 bets per race. I limited membership to 300 and got no real complaints that people couldn't get on winners at the price, maybe because I posted selections on the website in the early hours so they were available first thing next day. I know it sounds a bit gimmicky but marketing is everything on the internet.

My background is accounting so although I use a few statistical calculations for correlation, expected losing runs, chi and kelly staking I'm not entirely sure I understand them totally.



 

[Quist]

2 minutes ago, the mighty wednesday said:

I'm the opposite. I agree that better horses run truer to form but I generally look for horses with back form in lower grade races. I too watched all the races making allowances for trips, draw and pace etc. I basically look for anything that they don't mention on TV or when I disagree with the in running comments. I get the impression you are good at spotting when a 2/1 shot should be 6/4 or something like that. I'm not good at that level. I like to back 5/1 shots at double figures. It does lead to self recrimination though when I back something as I think it is value at 13 on Betfair and it wins at 22 like I did yesterday. and didn't top up my bet.

When I was tipping I used to do one sometimes two races a day. I'd put up 3/4 horses to back at advised prices if possible. It would average out between 1 and 2 bets per race. I limited membership to 300 and got no real complaints that people couldn't get on winners at the price, maybe because I posted selections on the website in the early hours so they were available first thing next day. I know it sounds a bit gimmicky but marketing is everything on the internet.

My background is accounting so although I use a few statistical calculations for correlation, expected losing runs, chi and kelly staking I'm not entirely sure I understand them totally.



 

It is whatever you feel comfortable with. You are correct I do look at prices and take advantage if think they are incorrect. I do not go with the view that you should not back even money shot. If its a certainty you have doubled your money. Think beauty of it most do things slightly different, key is hard work and attention to detail and constantly reviewing technique to take adbvantage of any changes.

[Owlinmad]

1 hour ago, Dronfield Blue said:

 

I bet on us signing Jordan Rhodes, an emotional bet as you say.

 

I also bet on Donald Trump for next US president, that wasn't emotional, it was based an a very poor opposition candidate.

 

As far as our next manager goes, I'd like you to keep us updated with your views, which I find very interesting . I'm not a gambler really, but if I was I'd take any emotion out of a bet, so won't be having a bet on our next manager. (unless you give us an in the know nod)  

I cleaned up on us signing Jordan Rhodes and also with Hooper.

It's not what you know but who you know !!

[BECKS-TO-BUD]

Best post for ages,cheers all.

 

....and stop looking at the odds.

[the mighty wednesday]

4 minutes ago, Quist said:

It is whatever you feel comfortable with. You are correct I do look at prices and take advantage if think they are incorrect. I do not go with the view that you should not back even money shot. If its a certainty you have doubled your money. Think beauty of it most do things slightly different, key is hard work and attention to detail and constantly reviewing technique to take adbvantage of any changes.

If everybody did the same thing there would be no profit to be made. We'd all agree and nobody would find any value and we might as well do virtual racing.

 

[Dronfield Blue]

3 minutes ago, Owlinmad said:

I cleaned up on us signing Jordan Rhodes and also with Hooper.

It's not what you know but who you know !!

 

Always has been.

 

So, who is the next manager?

[steelowl]

anyone else on here dip their bread when we got the nod about laws going to burnley  at 33s   beautiful touch