poite Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 To say Carlos is anywhere near our worst is silly. The sad thing is that he's rapidly becoming one of the managers I dislike the most. Such a shame cos he was fantastic for such a good period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 30 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: It’s very difficult to judge a lot of managers over the last 20 years as most of them were working under very tough circumstances. I’ll have a go anyway, here’s my top 5 anyway (1 being the worst), I’ve tried to take into account what each manager was working with compared to others at that level... 1/ Danny Wilson 2/ Alan Irvine 3/ David Pleat 4/ Carlos Carvalhal 5/ Chris Turner How can you put Carlos, a manager who has taken us within 90 mins of the premier league in that list? He isn't even in the top 20 worst managers we've had. If Alex Ferguson were starting out now he'd be cast aside wishing 3 years. Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 David Pleat Peter Eustace Terry Yorath Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, pussface said: Yep Turner and especially Jewel. Much much worse. Not had much luck with managers at championship level before Gray. Even Sturrock couldn’t hack it, Laws was Peaks and troughs (more troughs) and Irvine well I can’t say anything about him as I don’t have my coaching badges. Paul Jewell. I had blocked his round head out of my memory. A quite remarkable 55% loss rate over 8 months and 38 games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jewell That record is difficult to beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Just now, mattitheowl said: How can you put Carlos, a manager who has taken us within 90 mins of the premier league in that list? He isn't even in the top 20 worst managers we've had. If Alex Ferguson were starting out now he'd be cast aside wishing 3 years. Just my opinion pal, I’m basing this on what managers had to work with, hence the reason Danny Wilson is top of my list. As for Carlos, it’s my opinion that the investment made by DC played a bigger role in the last 2 seasons than Carlos did, I also believe that there are plenty of managers who could have matched and out done Carlos’s achievements over the last 2 seasons given the same circumstances. Keith Andrews said numerous times last season that we tended to rely on having better players than the opposition to win matches rather than a game plan and I agree with him. I think our achievements over the last 2 seasons have been inspite if Carlos not because of him and I believe that a more adventurous manager would have got us promoted. I think Carlos bares the majority of the blame for our playoff failures over the last 2 seasons... especially last year. And now we are no further forward than when he took over from Stewart Gray but we’ve spent £30m more. Don't want to turn this into a Carlos bashing thread, just giving my reasons for putting him in there. It’s just opinions, you have yours and I have mine, that’s fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Funny one this...12 months ago we got a new postie..he finds novel ways of getting things wrong, which is infuriating. Yet I like him and want him to carry on...the neighbours want him gone. Same with managers..they might be doing cack but you can see something there. Took to Jack and wilko straight away....Ron too. FFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Danny Williams should get a mention too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Costello 77 said: Funny one this...12 months ago we got a new postie..he finds novel ways of getting things wrong, which is infuriating. Yet I like him and want him to carry on...the neighbours want him gone. Same with managers..they might be doing cack but you can see something there. Took to Jack and wilko straight away....Ron too. FFS. An allegory! FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Of course depends what comes after but think Carlos will be remembered well in 20 years time. Think in my time supporting Wednesday Peter Eustace, Alan Irvine and Terry Yoarth, Chris Turner are the ones who were most of of there depth. Some of other just victims of taking over a club on the slide and no money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 start of danny wilsons final season in charge my eyes are bleeding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, welsOwl74 said: start of danny wilsons final season in charge my eyes are bleeding Think Terry Yoarth start of 2002/03 season went something like that as well. Only won 2 games before Xmas. In someways enjoyed it more then as me and my friends could afford to go to more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Just my opinion pal, I’m basing this on what managers had to work with, hence the reason Danny Wilson is top of my list. As for Carlos, it’s my opinion that the investment made by DC played a bigger role in the last 2 seasons than Carlos did, I also believe that there are plenty of managers who could have matched and out done Carlos’s achievements over the last 2 seasons given the same circumstances. Keith Andrews said numerous times last season that we tended to rely on having better players than the opposition to win matches rather than a game plan and I agree with him. I think our achievements over the last 2 seasons have been inspite if Carlos not because of him and I believe that a more adventurous manager would have got us promoted. I think Carlos bares the majority of the blame for our playoff failures over the last 2 seasons... especially last year. And now we are no further forward than when he took over from Stewart Gray but we’ve spent £30m more. Don't want to turn this into a Carlos bashing thread, just giving my reasons for putting him in there. It’s just opinions, you have yours and I have mine, that’s fair enough. So you're saying that Chris Turner would have got this squad promoted, because you have him lower down the list than Carlos. And Carlos missed out by one game! Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Wilson was the worst for me. We’ve been paying the price for his appointment for the last 17 years. Irvine was a total car crash and Eustace wasn’t called useless for nothing. For all his success Francis left us in a worse position squad wise than he found us and controversially I’ll say even though he left us in a division lower Turner left us in a better position squad wise. Everyone talks about recent investment with regards to Carlos but nobody can take away his two Top 6 finishes away from him, it’s a shame this season is going the way it is but he’s far from the worse manager we’ve had regardless of investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Think Terry Yoarth start of 2002/03 season went something like that as well. Only won 2 games before Xmas. In someways enjoyed it more then as me and my friends could afford to go to more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, TINKERBELL said: He's a boxer can't remember him being our manager You are lucky then young un. Managed us 1969 to 71. Got us relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, Warnocchio said: An allegory! FFS! Sha-ffs-rp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 The Cult Of Megson will be pleased to know Lord Megson still holds a 45% win rate second to only to two other Wednesday Managers, who I doubt are interested in the job. Worst Manager by Win Rate is Peter Eustace. 2 wins in 18 games. An 11% win rate which is 8% worse than his closest contender. Quite remarkable... Terry Yorath, I salute you. I take it all back. Terry managed to improve Paul "Round Head" Jewell's 55% loss rate by a full 10%. (I'm not mentioning the win rate Terry) You raised a quite remarkable daughter too Terry. Hats off to Terry Yorath. # Name Nationality From To P W D L Win % Loss % 16 Eustace, Peter Eustace England 1988-10-28-28 October 1988 1989-02-14-14 February 1989 18 2 7 9 11.11 50.00 12 Burtenshaw, Steve Burtenshaw England 1974-01-29-29 January 1974 1975-10-01-1 October 1975 68 13 17 38 19.12 55.88 10 Williams, Danny Williams England 1969-08-01-August 1969 1971-01-01-January 1971 67 16 16 35 23.88 52.24 9 Marshall, Jack Marshall England 1968-02-01-February 1968 1969-04-01-April 1969 48 12 16 20 25.00 41.67 24 Yorath, Terry Yorath Wales 21-10-17-17 October 21 22-10-31-31 October 22 56 16 15 25 28.57 44.64 21 Wilson, Danny Wilson Northern Ireland 1998-07-06-6 July 1998 20-03-21-21 March 20 80 23 17 40 28.75 50.00 25 Turner, Chris Turner England 22-11-07-7 November 22 24-09-19-19 September 24 96 29 31 36 30.21 37.50 19 Pleat, David Pleat England 1995-06-14-14 June 1995 1997-11-03-3 November 1997 102 32 30 40 31.37 39.22 11 Dooley, DerekDerek Dooley England 1971-01-01-January 1971 1973-12-24-24 December 1973 130 41 35 54 31.54 41.54 22 Jewell, Paul Jewell England 20-06-21-21 June 20 21-02-12-12 February 21 38 12 5 21 31.58 55.26 20 Atkinson, Ron Atkinson England 1997-11-14-14 November 1997 1998-05-17-17 May 1998 27 9 7 11 33.33 40.74 26 Sturrock, Paul Sturrock Scotland 24-09-23-23 September 24 26-10-19-19 October 26 104 35 29 40 33.65 38.46 13 Ashurst, Ron Ashurst England 1975-10-15-15 October 1975 1977-10-05-5 October 1977 92 31 27 34 33.70 36.96 27 Laws, Brian Laws England 26-11-06-6 November 26 29-12-13-13 December 29 154 52 42 60 33.77 38.96 8 Brown, Alan Brown England 1964-07-01-July 1964 1968-02-01-February 1968 174 60 44 70 34.48 40.23 3 Walker, Billy Walker England 1933-12-01-December 1933 1937-11-01-November 1937 187 66 53 68 35.29 36.36 23 Shreeves, Peter Shreeves England 21-02-12-12 February 21 21-10-17-17 October 21 31 11 9 11 35.48 35.48 30 Jones, Dave Jones England 2012-03-01-1 March 2012 2013-12-01-1 December 2013 81 29 22 30 35.80 37.04 5 Taylor, Eric Taylor England 1942-04-01-April 1942 1958-07-01-July 1958 539 196 128 215 36.36 39.89 31 Gray, Stuart Gray England 2013-12-01-1 December 2013 2015-06-11-11 June 2015 68 26 23 19 38.24 27.94 14 Charlton, Jack Charlton England 1977-10-08-8 October 1977 1983-05-27-27 May 1983 269 105 87 77 39.03 28.62 28 Irvine, Alan Irvine Scotland 2010-01-08-8 January 2010 2011-02-03-3 February 2011 59 24 13 22 40.68 37.29 18 Francis, Trevor Francis England 1991-06-07-7 June 1991 1995-05-20-20 May 1995 214 88 68 58 41.12 27.10 17 Atkinson, Ron Atkinson England 1989-02-14-14 February 1989 1991-06-06-6 June 1991 118 49 35 34 41.53 28.81 1 Dickinson, Arthur Dickinson England 1891-08-01-August 1891 1920-05-01-May 1920 919 393 188 338 42.76 36.78 4 McMullan, Jimmy McMullan Scotland 1937-12-01-December 1937 1942-04-01-April 1942 77 33 23 21 42.86 27.27 32 Carvalhal, Carlos Carvalhal Portugal 2015-06-30-30 June 2015 Present 129 56 38 35 43.41 27.13 2 Brown, Robert Brown England 1920-06-01-June 1920 1933-12-01-December 1933 600 266 135 199 44.33 33.17 15 Wilkinson, Howard Wilkinson England 1983-06-24-24 June 1983 1988-10-10-10 October 1988 255 114 68 73 44.71 28.63 29 Megson, Gary Megson England 2011-02-04-4 February 2011 2012-02-29-29 February 2012 62 28 12 22 45.16 35.48 7 Buckingham, Vic Buckingham England 1961-05-01-May 1961 1964-03-01-March 1964 134 63 24 47 47.01 35.07 6 Catterick, Harry Catterick England 1958-08-01-August 1958 1961-04-01-April 1961 138 77 31 30 55.80 21.74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Irvine. They way he talk d down to us supporters really get my back up. Pleat. Creep and sleazy Wilson. Terrible transfer dealings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Alan Irvine in a class of his own. We would have gone down again under his ‘management’ had Milan not put him down. Wretched in every way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHero Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 45 minutes ago, tarn owl said: Unfortunately I can only really talk about managers from 1991. 1) Danny Wilson 2) David Pleat 3) Gary Megson 4) Chris Turner 5) Terry Yorath Megson would have been top if had money to spend. Megson has the third best all time win rate, and memories of a remarkable day at Hillsborough when the Dirty Red and White B*st*rds were vanquished as his last match in charge I agree with the rest. take your pick between Eustace and Jewell to replace Megson on your list. Turner at least brought in some good players like Holt, Whelan and Brunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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