Should we sell Jordan Rhodes?

[handworth52]

Just now, just visiting said:

A £5m price tag and £35k+ a week wages puts him out of most clubs in this divisions budget.

 

Wolves - Don't need him

Cardiff - Can't afford him

Bristol City - Can't afford him

Derby - Don't need him

Villa - Possibly

Sheff U - Can't afford him

Leeds United - Possibly but not likely to pay those £2m+ per season wages. Be great for us though.

Boro - No

 

Anyone below these clubs, whats the point in moving. I doubt any PL clubs would take a gamble and I doubt SWFC would be interested in a loan deal either.

 

He is on 50k a wk took a 10k reduction what he was on at boro to come here.unless another club pays him 50k a wk he is staying , same with fletcher on 40k a wk and abdi on 35k a wk all going nowhere.

[gurujuan]

Just now, handworth52 said:

He is on 50k a wk took a 10k reduction what he was on at boro to come here.unless another club pays him 50k a wk he is staying , same with fletcher on 40k a wk and abdi on 35k a wk all going nowhere.

Way to run a football club

[matthefish2002]

22 minutes ago, Tudders said:

The thing is though is that you could have Messi and Ronaldo but if they’re told to play in a way that doesn’t result in shots on target and negative sideways possession football, then does due diligence matter as the team will never achieve the target of promotion. Managers should build their tactics/playing style around the likes of Jordan Rhodes, hes proven himself far more effective over the years than Carlos’s ‘one season’ tactics. Any other manager in this league, given a gift wrapped Jordan Rhodes by their chairman would have adapted their style to suit him. Carlos? No way. He’s wrote a book on tactics and he knows best....

 

I agree. To sign an very expensive player with no real idea on if he will suit your clubs style and no thought in getting the best out of him is pis5 poor.
 

[gurujuan]

The worrying thing, as Just Visiting pointed out, is that the better clubs wouldn’t want him, and the rest couldn’t afford him However, we have to find a way of getting rid, as this situation will only get worse

[Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc]

No we need a new coach to see what he can do with the existing squad IMO

Edited December 11, 2017 by Xxxxxxxxcxcc

[yeadonowl]

Play him every week from the start and he will be our top scorer

 

Play him for two games and then drop him for no reason and have him come in for the odd 20 mins is rank poor management

 

he is our best finisher given the correct service. His movement for the goal on Saturday was excellent. I don’t think any out our other strikers would have been in that position 

 

Carlos needs to bite the bullet and go with either Fletcher / Dave with Rhodes up top and have Hooper just behind at the tip of the diamond

 

Hooper as shown against Hull benefits from the space and Rhodes would benefit from playing alongside a target man

 

selling him makes no sense. Now selling Abdi, Joao, Jones, Pudil, Matias now that would make sense

 

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, yeadonowl said:

Play him every week from the start and he will be our top scorer

 

Play him for two games and then drop him for no reason and have him come in for the odd 20 mins is rank poor management

 

he is our best finisher given the correct service. His movement for the goal on Saturday was excellent. I don’t think any out our other strikers would have been in that position 

 

Carlos needs to bite the bullet and go with either Fletcher / Dave with Rhodes up top and have Hooper just behind at the tip of the diamond

 

Hooper as shown against Hull benefits from the space and Rhodes would benefit from playing alongside a target man

 

selling him makes no sense. Now selling Abdi, Joao, Jones, Pudil, Matias now that would make sense

 

His movement for the goal wasn’t that great, and it was pretty much the only time he moved in the game Week in, week out, he is a passenger, and ceratainly doesn’t deserve to be playing every week

[yeadonowl]

Just now, gurujuan said:

His movement for the goal wasn’t that great, and it was pretty much the only time he moved in the game Week in, week out, he is a passenger, and ceratainly doesn’t deserve to be playing every week

Being old fashioned I want my centre forward to score goals. I’m not interested about link up play and running around a lot. He is paid to come alive in the box and score goals 

 

That is what Rhodes does. 

 

Its no suprise that when Hooper and Fletcher are paired we create nothing as Hooper goes too deep and Fletcher never gets into scoring positions 

 

Look at Reading game. No meaningful attempts on goal in 85 mins. Rhodes comes on and suddenly he gets on the end of something. Same against Hull nothing in 55 mins. Rhodes then in 5 mins sets up Fletcher and has a header on goal

 

Each to their own but we appear to create more with him in the team

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, yeadonowl said:

Being old fashioned I want my centre forward to score goals. I’m not interested about link up play and running around a lot. He is paid to come alive in the box and score goals 

 

That is what Rhodes does. 

 

Its no suprise that when Hooper and Fletcher are paired we create nothing as Hooper goes too deep and Fletcher never gets into scoring positions 

 

Look at Reading game. No meaningful attempts on goal in 85 mins. Rhodes comes on and suddenly he gets on the end of something. Same against Hull nothing in 55 mins. Rhodes then in 5 mins sets up Fletcher and has a header on goal

 

Each to their own but we appear to create more with him in the team

If it were up to me, Fletcher would be following Rhodes out of the door Then I wouldn’t have signed either of them in the first place They are the type of overpriced signings that have set the club back years

[whatdial]

No keep him.

[cockneyvillageowl]

10 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

His movement for the goal wasn’t that great

 

Seriously? If you don’t rate him that’s your own opinion and his time here got off to a terrible start. Things are improving though and the way he got between those two defenders for his goal was excellent so massively disagree with you there.

 

On a wider note, agree with everyone who says getting rid of Carlos first is the way forward if we attempt to wheel and deal in January.

Personally, given Forestieri has been injured and not helped us (and himself) off the field several times, I think he’s become the biggest asset that we can sell for decent money and not damage the first XI excessively.

I was a huge FF fan for some time but it’s the way I see it at present given the past 9 months. 

[Walt]

19 minutes ago, Tudders said:

The thing is though is that you could have Messi and Ronaldo but if they’re told to play in a way that doesn’t result in shots on target and negative sideways possession football, then does due diligence matter as the team will never achieve the target of promotion. Managers should build their tactics/playing style around the likes of Jordan Rhodes, hes proven himself far more effective over the years than Carlos’s ‘one season’ tactics. Any other manager in this league, given a gift wrapped Jordan Rhodes by their chairman would have adapted their style to suit him. Carlos? No way. He’s wrote a book on tactics and he knows best....

Sort of agree with this as our style and Jordan Rhodes style are like polar opposites. Messi and Ronaldo would score goals no matter how defensive their respective sides set up as they are world class players, they make the difference. I totally get the not playing to Rhodes strengths argument as it was blindingly obvious to anyone with an ounce of footballing knowledge that he would not fit us when we signed him unless we altered the way we played.Thing is though Rhodes when played is always played as a striker, not shifted out wide like the deal Joao cops for, I'd still expect far better for the £6 - £10 million we paid for him than just being a penalty box player, look at Hooper he can do everything that Rhodes does but is not as limited as he's an all round player and adapts his game to suit our poo style and still scores goals. I think it's a dangerous road to go down basing a game on one player unless they are head and shoulders above. I'm afraid that signing Rhodes made no sense whatsoever given the way we played, given that we'd just signed Winnall, given that we had Hooper who does what Rhodes does and more, and that we didn't have a pacy forward player at the club. Don't get me wrong I think if Utd had Rhodes playing for them he'd be up around 15 goals already as they play a game suited to not only him but their players. Blame whoever buys the players, not Rhodes as they haven't got a clue as to which players fit our dreadfully predictable laborious system

[S6!]

Just try knocking early balls into the box !!!!! Did it once on sat and rhodes scored, then reverted to checking back inside every time!!!!

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, cockneyvillageowl said:

 

Seriously? If you don’t rate him that’s your own opinion and his time here got off to a terrible start. Things are improving though and the way he got between those two defenders for his goal was excellent so massively disagree with you there.

 

On a wider note, agree with everyone who says getting rid of Carlos first is the way forward if we attempt to wheel and deal in January.

Personally, given Forestieri has been injured and not helped us (and himself) off the field several times, I think he’s become the biggest asset that we can sell for decent money and not damage the first XI excessively.

I was a huge FF fan for some time but it’s the way I see it at present given the past 9 months. 

Forestieri v Rhodes, no contest 

[cockneyvillageowl]

3 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Forestieri v Rhodes, no contest 

 

Agree in general, but also depends on where you play Forestieri (and getting him fit and on the pitch in the first place now).

I’m looking at it more from an overall balance of the team and a financial perspective, if FFP is a genuine problem for our approach to transfers now, which seems to be the case.

Take away Rhodes who’s now scoring a couple of goals and what’s left up front... Hooper is doing well but there’s nobody else given Fletcher lacks form. FF is not the answer up front. 

[gurujuan]

5 minutes ago, cockneyvillageowl said:

 

Agree in general, but also depends on where you play Forestieri (and getting him fit and on the pitch in the first place now).

I’m looking at it more from an overall balance of the team and a financial perspective, if FFP is a genuine problem for our approach to transfers now, which seems to be the case.

Take away Rhodes who’s now scoring a couple of goals and what’s left up front... Hooper is doing well but there’s nobody else given Fletcher lacks form. FF is not the answer up front. 

Either way, Forestieri scores more, even from the wing, and his overall contribution is streets ahead It would be Hooper and one other for me Of our existing forwards, I’d say any of the others would be better as a partner for Hooper than Rhodes, as far as the team dynamic is concerned

In fact, I’d offload Rhodes, and bring in a young striker with pace There are plenty we could borrow from the Premier League

Adding pace to the group would be more beneficial than trying to accommodate Jordan Rhodes

[Guest]

As people have said if Carlos stays then Rhodes should try to move himself on. He doesn't fit our laboured, strikers with their backs to goal, wingers always cutting back in and not crossing it first time play style. People saying he is is past it etc need to give their head a wobble. Villa would probably buy him and pair him with Gestede again. Just remind me how much they paid for Hogan  

 

When he plays with Hooper it nullifies Hooper's goal threat as he has to then play a #10 role. 

[fred mciver]

No way.

 

Hooper will be desperate to go, his last EPL chance.

 

Take the £8 m for him, get Rhodes a quality target man, fast right winger plus nutter int' middle and giant stopper.

 

Add in Fessi PLUS Route 1  with Lambert et al, then we have a top 6 chance.

[GY-owl.4]

3 hours ago, gurujuan said:

Way to run a football club

Did you mean to type 'run' or is it a typo and youve missed an 'i' out?

[brando]

4 hours ago, gurujuan said:

My view, whether we change the manager or not, is yes I think we should

Sure we will have to take a hit, but we need to do it now while there are still clubs around that remember he used to score goals We will need to raise funds for January, and he would bring in the type of money needed to make any meaningful changes Things haven’t worked out for him here, and it would be best for all concerned if he were to leave

I’m sure that there will be people saying sell the deadwood first, but how realistic is that? If we can, sure, then do that as well

Rhodes though, would be fairly easy to sell, albeit at a knock down price, and it wouldn’t really weaken us in the way that say, selling Forestieri would Quite simply, Forestieri offers so much more than Jordan Rhodes does

yes,but not if the money is gonna be wasted on tosh,as over the last year