Bez Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I feel sorry for the sitters in here who have embarrassed themselves. Many of us Standers have made it clear that our preference would be to stand but we would be considerate to the needs of elderly or disabled people sitting behind us (including sitting to allow them to see). Many of the sitters in this thread (some with reasonable reputations before) choose to ignore this and vilify us all. Shame on you for that. You only disgrace yourself. Again it highlights that the usual middle aged men are so used to having everything their own way, at the same time as ruining the planet, that they struggle to understand the simple concept of consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I just find it quite bizarre we've found yet another way to divide ourselves. Not satisfied with happy clappers vs. doom mongers or part timers vs. turn up to every gamers, or even arguing over bleeding Nuhiu, now we're dividing into "sitters" vs. "standers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Exactly, so when you all sit down like you should be doing we can put all this behind us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The increasingly desperate efforts to justify an abuse of stadium regulations to engage in antisocial activity that adversely affects some of the most vulnerable of our supporter base is increasingly laughable in its arrogance. Contemptible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 17 minutes ago, Grandad said: The increasingly desperate efforts to justify an abuse of stadium regulations to engage in antisocial activity that adversely affects some of the most vulnerable of our supporter base is increasingly laughable in its arrogance. Contemptible Got to agree Grandad, as John Motson once said ku oops, better not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Wonder if this thread will run to start of next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 8 hours ago, coopswfc76 said: Wonder if this thread will run to start of next season? its got the legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertOB Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 I emailed the FA.........this is their reply We appreciate your frustration with regards to persistent standing at football matches, however it should be reiterated that the responsibility for ensuring supporters remain seated lies with the venue (whether this be a ‘home’ club or National stadium) and we would suggest that you again formally write to Wembley Stadium regarding this matter, outlining your concerns, and to seek their observations. In this instance there may have been operational reasons why they did not take immediate action to alleviate the persistent standing at the time. In each case a stadium safety team/safety officer, using their stewarding teams, have jurisdiction to enforce the appropriate Ground Regulations in place at the stadium. If you experience spectators persistently standing and obscuring your view at a fixture it is recommended that you immediately speak with a steward nearby in order to alert the venue to your predicament. Action can then be considered by the Safety Officer which may be to take immediate action to deal with the specific problem or to identify those involved and deal with matter later – possibly in the interim relocating you to another seat without an obstructed view. From a national perspective the football and safety authorities are working together to monitor and where appropriate share good practice in respect of persistent standing at football matches. The problem is one that is very difficult to deal with, particularly when large numbers of supporters are involved. It is problematic to have to enforce the regulation when the number of fans persistently standing is a significant number. There is an inherent requirement for cooperation from supporters themselves in such circumstances. In this sense, dealing with half a dozen supporters that may be standing is an entirely different proposition that trying to manage hundreds or thousands of supporters standing at the same time. However all persistent standing is monitored and appropriate safety management plans are then prepared in response to potential issues such as persistent standing in seated areas. In addition, the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA) maintains an overview of all safety issues. The EFL will endeavour to continue to work with the relevant safety bodies to bring about a change of attitude among supporters to persistent standing in seated areas. We are acutely aware of the impact of standing on the enjoyment of other supporters and encourage clubs and venues to deal with this issue as positively as they can. Please outline your views here https://help.wembleystadium.com/support/tickets/new and Wembley themselves should be able to advise you in relation to events on the day of the game. Thank you for contacting The Football League. Regards, Andrew Pomfret Supporter Services Department EFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshowl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 1 hour ago, AlbertOB said: I emailed the FA.........this is their reply We appreciate your frustration with regards to persistent standing at football matches, however it should be reiterated that the responsibility for ensuring supporters remain seated lies with the venue (whether this be a ‘home’ club or National stadium) and we would suggest that you again formally write to Wembley Stadium regarding this matter, outlining your concerns, and to seek their observations. In this instance there may have been operational reasons why they did not take immediate action to alleviate the persistent standing at the time. In each case a stadium safety team/safety officer, using their stewarding teams, have jurisdiction to enforce the appropriate Ground Regulations in place at the stadium. If you experience spectators persistently standing and obscuring your view at a fixture it is recommended that you immediately speak with a steward nearby in order to alert the venue to your predicament. Action can then be considered by the Safety Officer which may be to take immediate action to deal with the specific problem or to identify those involved and deal with matter later – possibly in the interim relocating you to another seat without an obstructed view. From a national perspective the football and safety authorities are working together to monitor and where appropriate share good practice in respect of persistent standing at football matches. The problem is one that is very difficult to deal with, particularly when large numbers of supporters are involved. It is problematic to have to enforce the regulation when the number of fans persistently standing is a significant number. There is an inherent requirement for cooperation from supporters themselves in such circumstances. In this sense, dealing with half a dozen supporters that may be standing is an entirely different proposition that trying to manage hundreds or thousands of supporters standing at the same time. However all persistent standing is monitored and appropriate safety management plans are then prepared in response to potential issues such as persistent standing in seated areas. In addition, the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA) maintains an overview of all safety issues. The EFL will endeavour to continue to work with the relevant safety bodies to bring about a change of attitude among supporters to persistent standing in seated areas. We are acutely aware of the impact of standing on the enjoyment of other supporters and encourage clubs and venues to deal with this issue as positively as they can. Please outline your views here https://help.wembleystadium.com/support/tickets/new and Wembley themselves should be able to advise you in relation to events on the day of the game. Thank you for contacting The Football League. Regards, Andrew Pomfret Supporter Services Department EFL There you go, ask a steward to help you in "relocating you to another seat without an obstructed view." It's common sense really. As has been said countless times over this thread, generally, people are decent, considerate people - if you can't stand and someone is standing in front of you them talk to them and come to some sort of solution/compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Morrison Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 On 29/05/2016 at 15:02, AlbertOB said: Two elderly ladies behind me couldnt see a thing. They werent strong enough to stand for 90 minutes and all the younger boys in front wouldnt sit down Inconsiderate deluded fools who seem to think standing is "fashionable" or "atmospheric" or whatever they think it is I was absolutely disgusted with their selfish attitude. We reported it to Wembley who texted back but did absolutely nothing yawn yawn yawn bore bore bore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 40 minutes ago, Clinton Morrison said: yawn yawn yawn bore bore bore THAT MUST BE CLINTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Whatever happened to treat others as you'd wish to be treated. Were all getting older. There will come a day when none of us will be able to stand for prolonged periods. There but for the grace of God an all that. I was bought up to respect my elders. Alas that doesn't seem as prevalent these days. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Think we need to take the argument to the standers and start reporting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertOB Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Cheshowl said: There you go, ask a steward to help you in "relocating you to another seat without an obstructed view." It's common sense really. As has been said countless times over this thread, generally, people are decent, considerate people - if you can't stand and someone is standing in front of you them talk to them and come to some sort of solution/compromise. How many empty seats were available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 53 minutes ago, Eastleigh Owl said: Think we need to take the argument to the standers and start reporting them. Nobody likes a snitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 One mans snitch is another mans whistleblower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I dont think snitching is the answer. I think it just needs an ongoing awareness campaign. As people said - MOST people are accomodating and will sit without an issue if its pointed out they are affecting somebody else who hasn't got the capacity to stand for 90 minutes. Clearly - not some of the absolute n0bs in this thread. But MOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I know what you're trying to do Grandad but the last one is mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Adjustable seats (and foot rest) that you can raise up to the same level as the standers is the obvious solution. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastleigh Owl Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, roaminowl said: Adjustable seats (and foot rest) that you can raise up to the same level as the standers is the obvious solution. You're welcome. or what about a little screen like they have on planes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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