just visiting Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 He has 12 months left to decide though utd are trying to push him through the age groups in order to keep him away from other clubs! They are pushing him as a U9 next season though he will be U8. He has only ever trained with the U8s once. It's the summer now and he seems happy at utd, I've advised him he should use next year to re-visit all clubs next season before commiting to one as I realise how big a decision it could be for him. I certainly want him to give it another go and he is a big Wednesday fan. But ultimately it is his decision and when young lads make friends and feel comfortable it's hard to convince them to try something else, specially when their previous memories aren't positive ones. In short, I'm working on it! With him and his mum(the gaffer) Selecting the right academy is a very important decision. I know a lot of parents who excitedly sign the registration forms without knowing the full ins and out of what they're commiting themselves and their son to. There are many ups and downs with regard to player selection as the kids progress through the age groups. The coaches change each year and so do the opinions regarding their ability. Players that were the stars at U9's and got most game time suddenly spend more time being subbed, the parents become unhappy and start to question whether their son has a future at the academy. The problem is you can't just take your son out and look for another academy if you feel things aren't going well, the club holds the registration and can keep it till the age of 18 if they feel he has the potential to develop. The same applies if you move away from the area. We had a family at the my son's academy who were relocating to Northumberland and asked for his registration to be terminated so he could attend trials at NUFC's or SFC's academy, the club refused and would only agree if compensation would be paid subject to a succesful trial period. Niether club would agree to this at such an early age. the lads now in limbo. These things need explaining properly before any decision is taken by star struck parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Selecting the right academy is a very important decision. I know a lot of parents who excitedly sign the registration forms without knowing the full ins and out of what they're commiting themselves and their son to. There are many ups and downs with regard to player selection as the kids progress through the age groups. The coaches change each year and so do the opinions regarding their ability. Players that were the stars at U9's and got most game time suddenly spend more time being subbed, the parents become unhappy and start to question whether their son has a future at the academy. The problem is you can't just take your son out and look for another academy if you feel things aren't going well, the club holds the registration and can keep it till the age of 18 if they feel he has the potential to develop. The same applies if you move away from the area. We had a family at the my son's academy who were relocating to Northumberland and asked for his registration to be terminated so he could attend trials at NUFC's or SFC's academy, the club refused and would only agree if compensation would be paid subject to a succesful trial period. Niether club would agree to this at such an early age. the lads now in limbo. These things need explaining properly before any decision is taken by star struck parents. Im not sure the losing club is allowed to do that - Im sure the problem is down to NUFC or SFC not being prepared to pay the compensation. I guess a lot depends on his age and how long he has been at the current academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Im not sure the losing club is allowed to do that - Im sure the problem is down to NUFC or SFC not being prepared to pay the compensation. I guess a lot depends on his age and how long he has been at the current academy The losing club can do what they want. They have spent money investing in his development as a footballer and so want compensation for that. The boy could go back to Sunday league football but the losing club will retain his registration until he reaches an age where they either offer him a contract or officially release him otherwise every kid who wanted to go to another club could just make up some reason why they couldnt attend training and then move on without compensation. The likes of Man City, Man Utd & Everton would love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 He'll be twelve now, not many clubs pay compensation for an under thirteen. Most Championship clubs don't pay fees for seasoned professionals, never mind kids. I think they call it a YD10, release with compensation rights owing. Any club that takes him on will need to pay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 The losing club can do what they want. They have spent money investing in his development as a footballer and so want compensation for that. The boy could go back to Sunday league football but the losing club will retain his registration until he reaches an age where they either offer him a contract or officially release him otherwise every kid who wanted to go to another club could just make up some reason why they couldnt attend training and then move on without compensation. The likes of Man City, Man Utd & Everton would love that. As I understood it today - if I'm Sheffield Uniteds Academy Coach and I watch a Wednesday player and want him to come and play for me - I have to pay the compensation and hes my player. Without the compo Wednesday dont have to release my registration. With compo they have no choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think you'd have made an illegal approach. You have to wait for the end of season precedure I think before another academy can be approached regarding the kids availablity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinno Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 That's right grandad What he's saying is Newcastle or Sunderland won't pay the fee so he can't play academy football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 yes thats what I meant - I know kids can move mid season because there is a pro rata element to the compensation packages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinno Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 All the academy parents and players were given a presentation by the academy staff last night Anyone who was there will tell you how informative and proffestional it was Also to add to that the new training kits look superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) That's right grandad What he's saying is Newcastle or Sunderland won't pay the fee so he can't play academy football to be fair, I don't think it even it got to stage of discussing a fee. As soon as clubs are informed of the situation they back off. Edited May 6, 2014 by just visiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) I was the original thread poster grandad 5/6 other clubs contacted us direct and one on a weekly basis for 12 months! Wednesday did go through the correct procedure ( I didn't know of this because of how other clubs have acted) but my experience won't be a isolated one and must mean we miss out on players. There is no procedure to go through at 7/8 - he can play with a different pro club every day of the week As I understood it today - if I'm Sheffield Uniteds Academy Coach and I watch a Wednesday player and want him to come and play for me - I have to pay the compensation and hes my player. Without the compo Wednesday dont have to release my registration. With compo they have no choice This is correct Edited May 6, 2014 by scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinno Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 All the academy parents and players were given a presentation by the academy staff last night Anyone who was there will tell you how informative and proffestional it was Also to add to that the new training kits look superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think you'd have made an illegal approach. You have to wait for the end of season precedure I think before another academy can be approached regarding the kids availablity. Wrong A club can sign a player at any time - they just have to agree the fee with the host club If they offer the full standard tariff then there's nothing the host club can do to stop the player leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Cheers Grandad, good post. Jones seemed to become fearful with his first team tactics but he certainly laid some good ground work here before time ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Thanks Nigel, very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Thanks for that. Very informative. Learned a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFC_Liam Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 This needs pinning so some of the tards on here who expect about 10 players a season to come through can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan™ Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Obviously the system can be abused somewhat - but I get the feeling the clubs in the Football League weren't offered much of a choice by the Premier League. I think the word is blackmail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It should be pinned with a header "If you are a Wednesday fan and have a talented footballing son then read this" read it , and it was great tbh , Grandad did well on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Thanks Nigel. As you know, I was very cynical about the academy after reading brownowl91's OP in the other thread and receiving information about the academy from parents of children that have visited. My cynicism has been removed somewhat after reading the summaries in this thread that you posted. Did Dean mention to you what the sanctions were for "tapping up"? The reason I ask is that if there is little or no sanction then we may as well "tap up" to prevent us being at a disadvantage to clubs with lesser scruples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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