Lee A Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) JJ and Antonio in the same side usually = a frustrating afternoon, attacking though it seems on paper. It does seem attacking, but its a bit like attacking somebody whilst drunk on a night out, you can probably go at them all night, but you are never going to land a telling shot, and will probably end up falling over your own feet Edited October 25, 2012 by leea8331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Agree with BG give Mayor a run he is a good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havin-a-hoot Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Mayor must be worth a try ^^^^^^^ Deserves his chance...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 defo think we need a left footed left midfielder/winger. The wide men we have Antonio, JJ, Mayor are all right footed (I think) and seem more comfortable on the right. We need balance on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnowl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The lack of left footed wide player has been brought up numerous times. It would even allow DJ to allow them to play on opposite sides if he so wished to cut in. So much more balanced when we had Keet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 How about Robbie Brady ?! By some distance best winger that we can bring in right now. Proven Championship class that can play on either wing. Both, goalscorer, and provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfmanjack Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 John Sheridan was deemed not good enough for Forest or Leeds. Keith Treacy is everything we need right now. Our present team is unbalanced. That's starnge, because he played more games for Leeds than for any other club. He failed at Forest because of the eccentricities of their manager, but the suggestion he wasn't considered good enough for Leeds is just daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 That's starnge, because he played more games for Leeds than for any other club. He failed at Forest because of the eccentricities of their manager, but the suggestion he wasn't considered good enough for Leeds is just daft. Not at all wolfie. He was not getting a shirt under Howard Wilkinson at the time he left. Vinnie Jones however was a regular starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 An alternative option to our current wide options wouldn't be a bad thing. This 4-5-1 system demands that our front players show a bit more composure when they get into key positions. Treacy wouldn't be a bad shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Might sound daft but i think we already have the required wingers at the club. I genuinely cant see why people are on Antonios back i seem him as a better performer so far this season, ok id like to see more but I think hes done enough to evade the "hes not what we thought" criticism. It's funny that the commentary on Sky covering the game last Friday v Leeds started making remarks about Antonio's delivery in the final third and the lo and behold one or two make comments. He's one of the most explosive and confident wingers we've had for many a year.....tell me how many we've had in recent times that have got the ball down facing goal and actually been prepared to run at players??? There isn't....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginner Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's funny that the commentary on Sky covering the game last Friday v Leeds started making remarks about Antonio's delivery in the final third and the lo and behold one or two make comments. He's one of the most explosive and confident wingers we've had for many a year.....tell me how many we've had in recent times that have got the ball down facing goal and actually been prepared to run at players??? There isn't....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 A pacey, skilful winger with the ability to beat the first man on crosses, set pieces please. Mr Treacy, come on down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginner Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 ^^ trying to post from a phone... ball ache. It's funny that the commentary on Sky covering the game last Friday v Leeds started making remarks about Antonio's delivery in the final third and the lo and behold one or two make comments. He's one of the most explosive and confident wingers we've had for many a year.....tell me how many we've had in recent times that have got the ball down facing goal and actually been prepared to run at players??? There isn't....... I don't need a Sky commentator to point out Antonio's weakness to me, thank you very much. It's perfectly obvious if you actually go to the matches and observe for yourself. I think you'll find I acknowledged Antonio's ability to create by going on runs, and shooting. So I don't feel the need to dwell on your question about the last time we had such a player. The answer is JJ anyway in case you were wondering. See the point I made above. With regard to my main point though, maybe you'd like to count the times Antonio has got the ball down, ran at players AND produced a telling or decisive cross or pass since he joined us? It ain't gonna take the fingers of both hands. I like Antonio, and believe he will develop. But him & JJ in the same side are too alike, with too little end result, explosive confidence or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I know another Everton loanee would be out of touch, but Magaye Gueye would be a class loan signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 ^^ trying to post from a phone... ball ache. I don't need a Sky commentator to point out Antonio's weakness to me, thank you very much. It's perfectly obvious if you actually go to the matches and observe for yourself. I think you'll find I acknowledged Antonio's ability to create by going on runs, and shooting. So I don't feel the need to dwell on your question about the last time we had such a player. The answer is JJ anyway in case you were wondering. See the point I made above. With regard to my main point though, maybe you'd like to count the times Antonio has got the ball down, ran at players AND produced a telling or decisive cross or pass since he joined us? It ain't gonna take the fingers of both hands. I like Antonio, and believe he will develop. But him & JJ in the same side are too alike, with too little end result, explosive confidence or not. Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong here but I made no quote of your post...... For the record I do go to the matches and also observe for myself and sorry to disagree with you but Antonio did run with the ball consistently against Leeds and I can count on more than one hand how many times he did that in just one game.....his crossing isn't the greatest true but big deal if he ends up scoring a few goals from the wing as no-one else in midfield is doing that at the moment. No-one was criticising Antonio's delivery in the final third until last week.....show me the evidence to say that people were. Pointing out JJ's weakness in delivery is fairly obvious IMO he's been the same ever since he's been at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Based on performances I would drop Antonio, our policy of two wingers isnt working, something has to change and maybe try to play narrow. go with 4 in midfield (semedo, Barkley, corry, McCabe(if fit)) then rodri (madine) & bothroyd up front, if it needs to be more attacking later in the game JJ, Antonio COG can change how we play. Either way something has to change!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginner Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong here but I made no quote of your post...... For the record I do go to the matches and also observe for myself and sorry to disagree with you but Antonio did run with the ball consistently against Leeds and I can count on more than one hand how many times he did that in just one game.....his crossing isn't the greatest true but big deal if he ends up scoring a few goals from the wing as no-one else in midfield is doing that at the moment. No-one was criticising Antonio's delivery in the final third until last week.....show me the evidence to say that people were. Pointing out JJ's weakness in delivery is fairly obvious IMO he's been the same ever since he's been at the club. Fair enough, you didn't quote my post, but i assumed i was one of the "one or two" making comments about Antonio.... seeing as i did. So if you weren't including me in that group, i include myself. You can't disagree with me about Antonio not consistently making runs, because i've never said that he doesn't. It's his end product that i've questioned. And as for making allowances for it if he or JJ are scoring... well they're not, so it continues to be an issue. For the record, it might be the first time i've mentioned Antonio's lack of delivery on here, but i've always thought it. Like i said, it's so obvious. Why are people mentioning it now? Because with JJ & Antonio in the same side, and that side losing, it's so painfully obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Fair enough, you didn't quote my post, but i assumed i was one of the "one or two" making comments about Antonio.... seeing as i did. So if you weren't including me in that group, i include myself. You can't disagree with me about Antonio not consistently making runs, because i've never said that he doesn't. It's his end product that i've questioned. And as for making allowances for it if he or JJ are scoring... well they're not, so it continues to be an issue. For the record, it might be the first time i've mentioned Antonio's lack of delivery on here, but i've always thought it. Like i said, it's so obvious. Why are people mentioning it now? Because with JJ & Antonio in the same side, and that side losing, it's so painfully obvious. I read it afterwards mate so apologies if you thought I was directing the post at you more of a general comment. You're right people are mentioning it now we are losing and yes it is painfully obvious. I don't think the issue is with Antonio as for me his work-rate is probably one of the best in the team if not the best......JJ (although not putting the boot in) has been the same player since we've had him, quality for the first handful of games and then very very hit and miss with both work-rate and end product. The bigger underlying issues have been an unsettled defence, I think there has been one game where we haven't had to make at least one change defensively and that's what's killed us as has the lack of creativity in midfield. Its a question of the right formula in terms of the balance of the team having the players that will do the very ugly stuff well for us and for the players like Antonio to do something with the ball once we have it. I honestly do not think we are very far away from getting the balance right and starting to turn this around....the run started with bad luck at Palace and should have ended against Leeds after the handball but just typical for that not to be seen for us not to get a penalty and for an ex-pig to pop up and bang a screamer in. It will change unless the players heads go down and we take a real thumping I just haven't seen evidence to suggest we are that far apart from the teams that are beating us at the moment for it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emza82 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well he needs to try something because this 2 points in 9 games isn't funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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