senwar Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Maybe he should have been played earlier in the season opposite Ben Marshall? I wonder how it felt to have James O'Connor starting not only ahead of you but in your position too. People also forget the gap between Marshall and Antonio when he played out of his skin and got important goals. I didn't, as I alluded to in a post above. But as I then said - what since? He just appears to be someone who likes being the only outlet. Put him in with someone else - nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Maybe he should have been played earlier in the season opposite Ben Marshall? I wonder how it felt to have James O'Connor starting not only ahead of you but in your position too. People also forget the gap between Marshall and Antonio when he played out of his skin and got important goals. Good point re joc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Between them JJ and Antonio will give plenty of defenders in this league big headaches down our right flank We'll get 50 appearances out of them no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeeeeJ Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think it's a fantastic idea to give him a new short term deal. He'll be back up to the first team and can make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TTOwl Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Speedboat without a driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 and we have more pressing issues to deal with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clud17 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 The season was 46 games plus cups. To pick out 2 games where he had crackers pretty much sums him up. How many cracking games did Semedo,Batth,Buxton,Marshall, Madine, Antonio etc....play? His work ethic is less than desired and that is probably why Megson preferred others ahead of him, there were far to many games where he went missing. Yeh id keep him on a one year contract but i don't think i'd start a game with him. We need service to our strikers for large parts of the game and that doesn't happen enough in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OutandOutOwl Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Signing him on a new deal means not signing a potentially younger and better player instead. I'd rather have Alan Judge tbh, but we maybe cannot afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DJB Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I am delighted that it looks as though JJ is going to get another year, some of the comments above really do baffle me... JJ is an extreme player, we take the good with the bad. The issue we have had for too long is that we have solely relied on him and he isn't consistent enough to do so. JJ for me should be our third winger and that is what i think he will be, that extra option. He can change a game with one run and even at Championship level, defenders will not want to be up against him. I'd love to know who people think we should be signing to replace JJ, as that extra option on his wage?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Would people want him if he weren't like poo off a shovel, answer is, no. Are you saying his ability to run quickly with or without the ball somehow doesn't count when it comes to considering whether we want him to stay or not? How bizarre. It's a bit like asking if we'd like to keep Semedo if he couldn't tackle. We all know he's inconsistent, but like Arthur has said, it has earned up much more criticism than he deserves relative to others in the squad. Personally I think we can afford to persist with him for another year. At this moment in time, he offers something no one else in the squad does. Obviously we're all hoping that is addressed in the next few weeks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A Baracus Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 All depends on our ambitions. If we're mounting a serious promotion challenge then there should be no place in the squad for him, too unreliable. If we're building a squad over a 2 seasons then it wouldn't hurt to have him on the bench. I'd rather see scenario 1 and him get released. Start a fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 His defending abilities are under-estimated too. Always tracks back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beztheowl Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Signing him on a new deal means not signing a potentially younger and better player instead. I'd rather have Alan Judge tbh, but we maybe cannot afford him. I'm sure we can afford Alan Judge, but then the money used to bring him in is money not used elsewhere. If JJ is back-up and is the right price we can concentrate our money in other positions - namely the starting 11, including two new starting wingers (one of whom could easily be someone like Judge). Success will depend on us using our budget as wisely as possible - we don't need to spend it all on expensive reserves (assuming JJ is on a relatively cheap contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulture_squadron Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I'm glad we're trying to keep JJ. I think people get frustrated with him cos we've relied on him too much in past seasons and he's certainly not good enough for that. As a part of a much better squad he will be handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Wednesday Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He'd offer and outlet and potentiallly something 'different' for a struggling Championship side, but I'd like to think we've got higher ambitions than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He's similar to Adam Proudlock - an ineffective player who shows promise one or two games a season but is favoured by the young uns and therefore reaches cult status without actually delivering consistent quality Bizarre... PS I honestly can't see him being as 'impact' in the Championship... Did you see him play against stoke pre season and terrorise Woodgate? Like a few have said, JJ as an impact player is tough to replace. if you can name someone to replace him thats of similar style and quality, id like to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HartOwl Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He'll be a super sub next season. It's always good to chuck him on near the end, because when jj decides to turn up he's a match winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Most pundits picked up on our pace and power during our magnificent run in, JJ is an integral part of that, even if its off the bench Teams will get no respite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Did you see him play against stoke pre season and terrorise Woodgate? Like a few have said, JJ as an impact player is tough to replace. if you can name someone to replace him thats of similar style and quality, id like to hear it. The fact you've named a pre season game nearly a year ago as an example of what JJ can do says it all Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senwar Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Did you see him play against stoke pre season and terrorise Woodgate? Like a few have said, JJ as an impact player is tough to replace. if you can name someone to replace him thats of similar style and quality, id like to hear it. Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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