vulva Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, madness etc etc. Anyway, why not use the international break to try and perfect a different formation? Presuming everyone is fit, 3 at the back. We've got natural wing backs in Reach and Hunt, and a 3rd centre half who naturally can push forward into midfield. Westwood Reach Lees Hutchinson Loovens Hunt Bannan Jones Wallace FF Rhodes Edited March 19, 2017 by vulva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 minute ago, vulva said: Do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, madness etc etc. Anyway, why not use the international break to try and perfect a different formation? Presuming everyone is fit, 3 at the back. We've got natural wing backs in Reach and Hunt, and a 3rd centre half who naturally can push forward into midfield. Westwood Reach Lees Hutchinson Loovens Hunt Bannan Jones Wallace FF Rhodes When we have the ball, we do revert to 3 at the back. Our full backs & centre halfs arent good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 minute ago, zzmdu said: When we have the ball, we do revert to 3 at the back. Our full backs & centre halfs arent good enough. Agree with that. Our fullbacks aren't good enough to play fullback, but they are good enough to play wingback. The whole ole tempo of our play is dictated by Loovens. Good player, but plays every game like a testimonial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Although we line up 442 I think we very nearly end up playing that formation anyway. Certainly seems like that to me as Hutch naturally goes deep, Wallace plays very narrow and the fullbacks provide the little width that we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justbeanz Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Said it in various threads but to me Bannan has to fill up the hole behind Rhodes and Winnall to link them up to play off each other.Sits too deep or wide too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, vulva said: Do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, madness etc etc. Anyway, why not use the international break to try and perfect a different formation? Presuming everyone is fit, 3 at the back. We've got natural wing backs in Reach and Hunt, and a 3rd centre half who naturally can push forward into midfield. Westwood Reach Lees Hutchinson Loovens Hunt Bannan Jones Wallace FF Rhodes Damn it! Why hasn't Carlos thought of this? Ingenious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 A lot of teams play a similar game to us but as said above we are far too slow at moving the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The flaw in that is that Hunt has put in only a handful of decent crosses since he has been here , great at getting forward but no end result . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl14 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, vulva said: Do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, madness etc etc. Anyway, why not use the international break to try and perfect a different formation? Presuming everyone is fit, 3 at the back. We've got natural wing backs in Reach and Hunt, and a 3rd centre half who naturally can push forward into midfield. Westwood Reach Lees Hutchinson Loovens Hunt Bannan Jones Wallace FF Rhodes Maybe not those players but I do like your thinking, I think we do need something different than 442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Frustrates me how sometimes our Plan B in games is to just bring on as many strikers as possible and have Lees punt the ball upfield and hope something will happen. Whenever CC brings on Fletcher/Winnall/Macca it's usually at the expense of a defensive minded player, Fox/Jones/Hutchinson/Hunt, always causes us to lose shape and fluidity and looks like a desperate move. Don't mind playing 3 at the back when we're chasing the game but when we've got a back 3 of Reach/Lees/Hunt with Bannan as a lone CM it looks desperate, surely there's more productive ways? Still not sure what our strongest XI is, Lee is irreplaceable in the middle but i'd like to see maybe Wallace having a more central role, would bring much needed creativity and flare to our play and allow a quicker player to play out wide. 4141 Westwood Hunt Lees Loovens Fox Hutchinson Macca Bannan Wallace FF Rhodes Part of me thinks CC daren't play a formation with 1 striker as we have so many attacking options, especially when Hooper comes back. Although i'm not sure how Rhodes would find playing the target man role alone, he'd certainly get better service and more chances with the quality behind him. Hutchinson is more than capable of covering the back 4 and would allow Bannan/Wallace to get forward more, keep interchanging between Macca/Reach whoever contributes more starts the next game, plenty of options on the bench with Winnall/Fletcher/Buckley/Matias/Jones to revert back to a 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, vulva said: Do the same thing over and over again, and expect different results, madness etc etc. Anyway, why not use the international break to try and perfect a different formation? Presuming everyone is fit, 3 at the back. We've got natural wing backs in Reach and Hunt, and a 3rd centre half who naturally can push forward into midfield. Westwood Reach Lees Hutchinson Loovens Hunt Bannan Jones Wallace FF Rhodes I understand the point you're making, but that midfield just doesn't inspire me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Justbeanz said: Said it in various threads but to me Bannan has to fill up the hole behind Rhodes and Winnall to link them up to play off each other.Sits too deep or wide too often. Spot on, huge gap between the front two and centre mid. One of the reasons Carlos love Wallace because he plays narrow and plugs some of the gap. Bannan is a luxury we cant afford. Drop him , play Abdi higher up , with Hutch holding. With a light weight Bannan sitting deep , our opponents Dont get put under pressure, we fail to win enough second ball in a vital area. Teams have too much time to clean up, as a result our strikers come in for too much criticism. If we had pressure on the ball in front of the opposition defence , we would get many more chances, and for me look like a promotion side and get goals and results to back up the money we have invested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Bannan doesn't like to play forward, he is too exposed no pace, poor engine, lack of strength, far too light weight. Carlos said he didnt want a bouncer in midfield, but sorry that exactly what we do need. Oh and if we do ever get to the premier league he will need two or three,,and maybe thats his problem which will cost him his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 3 at the back is different to a back 5. At home, Hutchinson has been dropping in, but the issue is that the fullbacks havnt been pushing on. As a result, we have been playing a back 5 against teams with 10 men behind the ball. That equals both stalemate and awful football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I agree and disagree. The team you name as an alternative would just amount to the same system as it's always been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroswfc Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I dont think Carlos Carvalhal will change it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Reach exposes the left back abominably i think hes an ok player but on Tuesday night ( and not for the first time) he wanders off to the right side and leaves Fox with 2 men to cover so far from being too rigid imo Reach in particular is far too lax Nice to see Bazza is back to being the scapegoat again after a couple of near MoM performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Only Wednesday could have a continental coach who sticks rigidly to a 4-4-2 formation (albeit with a bit of 3-5-2 thrown in there for sh*ts and giggles) If you want to get the better of us then just play with 3 in central midfield. You'll overpower us and we will get hopelessly overrun, particularly with the current combination of Jones and Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Formations are not rigid, it's the people that play within them which are too rigid. I'm a great believer in movement winning football games - individual skills are not really a consideration. If you can't get your players into the correct positions skills hardly matter. However if you're going to create space you have to watch the opposition for running into the space you just left e.g. full backs pressing on and the opposition then playing long balls into the corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, SiJ said: Only Wednesday could have a continental coach who sticks rigidly to a 4-4-2 formation (albeit with a bit of 3-5-2 thrown in there for sh*ts and giggles) If you want to get the better of us then just play with 3 in central midfield. You'll overpower us and we will get hopelessly overrun, particularly with the current combination of Jones and Bannan. Good point,we need to match the opposites up in midfield otherwise we just get overrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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