Rotherham Owl Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, DobbinTheDonkey said: However saying all that, his final season ended superbly and he galvanised 'most' of the support. For that I will be ever grateful and look back on DM's time here fondly. This whole thread appears as a delicate ego thread, from both sides. Move on FFS, DM has. I think Moore is an adequate manager but, have to agree with this 100%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 49 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Reyt weird thread 16 pages. Bonkers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 30 minutes ago, markowl said: So what was your point? I responded to a post which said, “Very harsh to suggest it was DM that relegated us. He wasn’t to blame at all.” Had we beaten Derby we would have stayed up. Had we made tactical adjustments to protect the lead we had in the game against Derby we may have stayed up. Had an unfit Dunkley not been selected he couldn’t have made the mistake against Derby which cost us the lead. DM was our manager against Derby. Ergo he might carry some of the blame for us not winning the game that saw us relegated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 25 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: I responded to a post which said, “Very harsh to suggest it was DM that relegated us. He wasn’t to blame at all.” Had we beaten Derby we would have stayed up. Had we made tactical adjustments to protect the lead we had in the game against Derby we may have stayed up. Had an unfit Dunkley not been selected he couldn’t have made the mistake against Derby which cost us the lead. DM was our manager against Derby. Ergo he might carry some of the blame for us not winning the game that saw us relegated? We got enough points to stay up It was only Chansiris points deduction that relegated us 5 3 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: We got enough points to stay up It was only Chansiris points deduction that relegated us My apologies. I thought we would have actually stayed up if we had beaten Derby. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 8 hours ago, Bluesteel. said: I think DM would have got us more points just out of the sheer momentum and feel good factor around the club but he’s demonstrated he probably wouldn’t have been a sound long term choice seeking wages and a contract to reflect that. His football at Huddersfield was similar to what we saw at this level when he arrived, ie not particularly good or clear on what the plan was. Take nothing away from record breaking in L1 though as he got the players really behind him for most of the season and found a simple system that worked. On the xisco and Röhl thing I think Röhl still had a job in the summer. It’s more galling that xisco was the actual choice as other than seeing promotion on cv it was difficult to see what he wanted to do other than some sound bites lost in translation. A lot was made in the summer about making sure the appointment was right but in the end it couldn’t have been any worse and seemed budget driven despite comments otherwise I remember reading somewhere that at the time of his first interview he was still Germany's Assistant Manager and he wanted to carry on with that job whilst managing us. If true I don't blame Chansiri for passing up on employing him then. By the time Röhl applied again he was no longer working for the German national team. Ps certainly transfermkt confirms he was still working for the German national team when he first applied and had left when he next applied. Whether he told Chansiri he wanted to manage us whilst staying with Germany in his first interview I can't confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 8 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: My apologies. I thought we would have actually stayed up if we had beaten Derby. We got enough points to stay up It was ONLY Chansiris points deduction that relegated us Not a one off game you’re cherry picking 4 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 If we had have stayed up, would Moore have been given some of the credit for doing so, or wouldn't it have been anything to do with him like when we went down? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: If we had have stayed up, would Moore have been given some of the credit for doing so, or wouldn't it have been anything to do with him like when we went down? No, it would have been credit to DC for sacking Monk & Pulis. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: We got enough points to stay up It was ONLY Chansiris points deduction that relegated us Not a one off game you’re cherry picking So if we had won that one of game we would have still gone down? This is so confusing 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 8 hours ago, Philb125 said: I wonder if anyone’s done the points per game for Huddersfield before and after he left. His successor has got 9 points from 10 games. Warnock only had 8 from 7 games. Both of them got to play Rotherham, which Moore (20 points from 22 games) didn't. Could just be that Huddersfield's squad isn't very good. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Had an unfit Dunkley not been selected he couldn’t have made the mistake against Derby which cost us the lead. Lees got injured the game before. The other choices were Ciaran Brennan, Urhoghide or Liam Shaw (the latter two already confirmed as leaving). I think we end up losing 5-3 with any of those choices. We also had to go into that match with dross like Pelupessy, Rhodes, Kachunga and Green either in or close to the XI because there was no-one else. Westwood and Reach also had one foot out the door. The squad was a shambles - very similar to our situation now. Only one man to blame for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, royalowlisback said: If we had have stayed up, would Moore have been given some of the credit for doing so, or wouldn't it have been anything to do with him like when we went down? A bit like some idiots give him zero credit for getting us promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 That game against derby was an example of some of the worst game management. Got to 3-2 and let that little Joffrey lookalike run in behind us and get a pen. That derby side would never have broken us down had we sat deep. Just as Stoke wouldn’t have the other day. In fairness to Moore though he was just out of a hospital bed! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: So if we had won that one of game we would have still gone down? This is so confusing It's not really THAT confusing As a team we got enough points to stay up Chansiri got us a points deduction We got relegated because of it Had the points deduction not happened we had enough points to stay up But of course you don't care about any of that You just want to have a pop at Darren Moore 3 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: It's not really THAT confusing As a team we got enough points to stay up Chansiri got us a points deduction We got relegated because of it Had the points deduction not happened we had enough points to stay up But of course you don't care about any of that You just want to have a pop at Darren Moore Of course I do 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, Emerson Thome said: His successor has got 9 points from 10 games. Warnock only had 8 from 7 games. Both of them got to play Rotherham, which Moore (20 points from 22 games) didn't. Could just be that Huddersfield's squad isn't very good. Yet they trounced us 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSandersonOWL Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 5 hours ago, Rotherham Owl said: I think Moore is an adequate manager but, have to agree with this 100%. I think that you may find that PV's owner finds him to be inadequate Then when Danny goes to Sunderland (ITK) Darren will be able to tie up with our Thai once more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner1867 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I mean let’s not forget, we had a freaky Liam Palmer last second equaliser that if it didn’t happen would have had you all saying Moore was incredible saying he was a failure 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: My apologies. I thought we would have actually stayed up if we had beaten Derby. We would have. Both statements are true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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