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24 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

The link you posted shows him as 141st for assists, which isn't accurate - only 26 players made more assists than him last season.

 

And as I said, that only tells part of the story anyway: a player's assists stat is always going to hinge in part on the quality of the players on the end of their passes. A more nuanced look at it shows only 4 players who made more than a dozen appearances made more key passes per game than Bannan, and only two of those were central midfielders.

 

So by what metric was Bannan the 141st most creative player in the Championship last season?

 

It's hard to discuss these matters with you if you can't clearly state how you're working this out.

It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity.

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Get him gone, vastly over rated and over paid.  He has been a big part of our failure in recent seasons.

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4 minutes ago, Emilianenko said:

It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity.

 

Not sure what you are trying to say here.I really don't care if 20 assists come off of a player's arse. The important thing is that we get 20 goal assists from a player.

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3 minutes ago, Emilianenko said:

It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity.

 

No, it doesn't. It's calculated by assists per minutes played.

 

If it was done by chances created per 90 minutes then it would have Bannan in 7th.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Anthndav said:

 

Not sure what you are trying to say here.I really don't care if 20 assists come off of a player's arse. The important thing is that we get 20 goal assists from a player.

Yes but our super creative midfielder who took almost every set piece only managed 5 assists. 

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4 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

No, it doesn't. It's calculated by assists per minutes played.

 

If it was done by chances created per 90 minutes then it would have Bannan in 7th.

 

 

 

 

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And yet we only scored from 5 of them. The same as Windass and Harris who created less chances.

It tells its own story. 

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6 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

If it tells its own story @Emilianenko then surely Bannan is the best player in the league over the past 3 seasons. He has the most assists...

 

(5 + 8 + 11 = 24, more than any other player).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How many of those players played in the same division for 3 seasons?

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3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out

 

Yeah, that's the story of 11 > 8  > 5 over the past 3 seasons. Bannan created roughly the same number of chances, but we went from Fletcher, Joao and Forestieri, down to Fletcher and occasionally Forestieri, down to Windass, Paterson and Kachunga.

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7 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

If it tells its own story @Emilianenko then surely Bannan is the best player in the league over the past 3 seasons. He has the most assists...

 

(5 + 8 + 11 = 24, more than any other player).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If we are using statistical analysis these tables show a decline in effectiveness. 5th ranked player, 10th ranked player to not even ranked! 

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1 minute ago, Anthndav said:

How many of those players played in the same division for 3 seasons?

 

Most of them. But some of the best players like Buendia get signed by Villa for £33 million to play in the Premier League that also shows we're looking at the top end players in the league.

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4 hours ago, mcmigo said:

BB would suit playing in that team - no brainer for him, hopefully a half decent fee and lets part company.

Yes hope we get a decent fee and he goes...anywhere will.do just get rid

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47 minutes ago, Emilianenko said:

It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity.

 

There weren't 140 players who had more assists then Bannan last season, as that link claims. There were 26.

 

On chances created, only two central midfielders who played regularly created more chances for their teammates than Bannan. If we factor in players in all positions, then there were 4 ahead of him.

 

If chances created is the metric you're judging him against, then he was among the best in the Championship last season. 

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