BIG D Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said: Requires some impressive mental gymnastics to conclude that bannan is the reason we have gone backwards IT’S ALL BANNANS FAULT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The link you posted shows him as 141st for assists, which isn't accurate - only 26 players made more assists than him last season. And as I said, that only tells part of the story anyway: a player's assists stat is always going to hinge in part on the quality of the players on the end of their passes. A more nuanced look at it shows only 4 players who made more than a dozen appearances made more key passes per game than Bannan, and only two of those were central midfielders. So by what metric was Bannan the 141st most creative player in the Championship last season? It's hard to discuss these matters with you if you can't clearly state how you're working this out. It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kameron Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Get him gone, vastly over rated and over paid. He has been a big part of our failure in recent seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Kameron said: Get him gone, vastly over rated and over paid. He has been a big part of our failure in recent seasons. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthndav Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity. Not sure what you are trying to say here.I really don't care if 20 assists come off of a player's arse. The important thing is that we get 20 goal assists from a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity. No, it doesn't. It's calculated by assists per minutes played. If it was done by chances created per 90 minutes then it would have Bannan in 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Anthndav said: Not sure what you are trying to say here.I really don't care if 20 assists come off of a player's arse. The important thing is that we get 20 goal assists from a player. Yes but our super creative midfielder who took almost every set piece only managed 5 assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: No, it doesn't. It's calculated by assists per minutes played. If it was done by chances created per 90 minutes then it would have Bannan in 7th. And yet we only scored from 5 of them. The same as Windass and Harris who created less chances. It tells its own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 If it tells its own story @Emilianenko then surely Bannan is the best player in the league over the past 3 seasons. He has the most assists... (5 + 8 + 11 = 24, more than any other player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: And yet we only scored from 5 of them. That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthndav Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: If it tells its own story @Emilianenko then surely Bannan is the best player in the league over the past 3 seasons. He has the most assists... (5 + 8 + 11 = 24, more than any other player). How many of those players played in the same division for 3 seasons? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out He’s talking cobblers again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out Yeah, that's the story of 11 > 8 > 5 over the past 3 seasons. Bannan created roughly the same number of chances, but we went from Fletcher, Joao and Forestieri, down to Fletcher and occasionally Forestieri, down to Windass, Paterson and Kachunga. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthndav Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: If it tells its own story @Emilianenko then surely Bannan is the best player in the league over the past 3 seasons. He has the most assists... (5 + 8 + 11 = 24, more than any other player). If we are using statistical analysis these tables show a decline in effectiveness. 5th ranked player, 10th ranked player to not even ranked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Anthndav said: How many of those players played in the same division for 3 seasons? Most of them. But some of the best players like Buendia get signed by Villa for £33 million to play in the Premier League that also shows we're looking at the top end players in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 If we can manage to get Bannan out, then get Windass & Iorfa out as well it’s obvious we’ll be in for a reyt season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out Yet they score from Harris and Windass chances created at a much better rate. Maybe it’s a conspiracy against Bazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy W Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 4 hours ago, mcmigo said: BB would suit playing in that team - no brainer for him, hopefully a half decent fee and lets part company. Yes hope we get a decent fee and he goes...anywhere will.do just get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a result of strikers ballooning it over the bar from 2 yards out IT’S NEVER BANNANS FAULT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: It works on appearances and chances created. So quite clearly Bannan is left behind with his whopping 5 assists. I’d rather have quality than quantity. There weren't 140 players who had more assists then Bannan last season, as that link claims. There were 26. On chances created, only two central midfielders who played regularly created more chances for their teammates than Bannan. If we factor in players in all positions, then there were 4 ahead of him. If chances created is the metric you're judging him against, then he was among the best in the Championship last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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