Mike Hunt Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, mcmigo said: We have a team of mainly free transfers cast off by other clubs. our goalies are youth players or in the case of Westwood a reserve. the defence is iorfa and fox, a couple of hundred grand each, plus youth teamers and the freebies lees and borner. further forward we have bannan, plucked from the palace b team for free, hutch who we effectively rescued from retirement for free, Harris who is a Cardiff reserve for free, supporting Nuhiu, a freebie and the only two players we actually really paid for in reach and Winnall. we are a team of cheap, reserve players. They can want it however much they like, if they aren’t good enough they aren’t good enough. That’s a damming indictment right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Funnily enough, he's one of the few players I can recall digging his teammates out when we lost to Brighton a few years back. Made some remark about big teams not doing what we had done (lost against ten men). Different team back then though. We were one of the best sides in the division. Now we are ok. Feels now like he reflects those expectations. Just lost 5-0 to Blackburn and it is one of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Jesus wept, the moaning on here. Since when was the captain of a football team supposed to be some kind of media personality? I can understand why the manager has to front up to the press and speak well, but what do you expect from a footballer? To those who expect more personality, do you expect him to be cracking jokes and laughing after a 5-0 defeat? To those who want to makes myths out of these legendary players from the past. How do you think they would have fared in this modern age when press conferences are posted in large chunks and the players have to answer these inane questions every week? Lees is fronting up after a 5-0 defeat. Lets take a look at a couple of his predecessors: Here's a feel-good (and edited) BBC puff-piece about Mick Lyons returning to Everton. Obviously more cheerful than the Lees interview. He seems more tongue-tied and bashful than Lees if anything. E.g: Question: Can you remember what the highlights [of that career at Everton] were? Lyons: Erm... Yes, none. Er, no, I think I was there for 14 years. Er, we, er, got beat in a couple of semi-finals of the cup and we got beat in one League Cup Final, after two replays. Er.... Great player. Seems like a lovely bloke - but just like Lees, hardly a Churchillian rousing oratory performance is it? And here is Big Nige. Remember for this interview he is here as a 50 year-old man, post media-training and at least 10 years of doing these types of press conferences: "Is your head in the sand? Are you flexible enough to get your head in the sand? My suspicion would be no. I can, you can't. You can't." Yes, this press conference is much more amusing than the Lees one. But he sounds also completely unhinged. It's the pointless bullying, the stupid grandstanding and the weirdly boastful part where he seems genuinely proud that he can stretch his own head into the sand. So, who can blame Lees for phoning in a mundane press conference? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 He's a great pro, been very consistent for us even in the crazy situation of having no real competition for his place until this season. That said, he just doesn't come across as the guy who's going to lead the troops into battle. Accepted, there's more to the captaincy than that but I think it goes some way to explaining our mental frailties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It has been obvious since Loovens left that we don't have a captain. Neither him or wee man should ever be the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, 2roland2 said: you are playing down some very technically gifted players, what they cost is irrelevant in many cases. look across the city for how far hard work and commitment and desire gets you. as much as i hate the oinkers they are a perfect example of how important desire is. reversing your quote, without desire, talent is pointless Exactly, we had a perfect example recently departed to reading. Joao had everything in his locker to play regularly in the prem.... Well everything eexept desire, attitude and bravery. It's OK watching someone ambling aimlessly around doing flicks n tricks on occasions when involved, but not very effective. People go on about how we chamge this mentality, we need to ship out half this side and bring in some pearson's & booth's. Not brilliant technical or exiting flyers but with the mental attitude to drag others through games and raise commitment levels. Edited January 24, 2020 by shezzas left peg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Jesus Give him a break When he’s been in the side this year he’s been decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, TodwickOwl said: Jesus Give him a break When he’s been in the side this year he’s been decent I don't think anyone's knocking him as a consummate professional a fantastic role model for the younger players and a good club servant while he's been here. It can't be coincidence that so many people just don't see him as a proper leader that has it in him to take us forward as a captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: I don't think anyone's knocking him as a consummate professional a fantastic role model for the younger players and a good club servant while he's been here. It can't be coincidence that so many people just don't see him as a proper leader that has it in him to take us forward as a captain. Monk does and that’s all that counts at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Kagoshimaowl said: I’m sure it was said that his English is actually quite poor. You do a actually need good language skills to be captain nowadays because of all the stuff they do off the pitch. I guess you could have a club captain and a field captain though. Any captain would be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Helps I’d they can speak the effin language though! FFS! Oh I don't know, a bit of chest beating and a screaming war cry of "GRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!" is pretty universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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