Chansiri, embargo and the players

[Mick De Lyons]

It's not certain that we will be found guilty over the selling of the club, but if we are, it's more likely to amount to a deduction of points than a fine. The one salient point about this situation, is that realistically the club can go nowhere whilst it's in this permanent cycle with regards to this financial embargo. If the points deduction happens, then it ends our promotion or play off hopes, but I don't think it will end in relegation, unless is a huge amount of points. So it's going to be likely a mid table finish.

 

In my opinion, this fine or a points deduction needs to happen. It's the only way to get the club out of this mess and will allow the club to operate in the transfer market properly again. Along with this, two other things need to happen. Chansiri needs to sell the club as soon as is possible and the squad needs a complete overhaul. The big earners need to go and the squad needs breaking up. Some players have been here too long and need moving on. I would personally sell or not offer contracts to Westwood, Palmer, Fox, Hutchinson, Pelupessy, Lee, Reach, Forestieri, Nuhiu, Winnall and Rhodes.

 

I do think that one person is to blame for this predicament and that is the Chansiri. He was the person in charge of the finances. He knew the rules or someone was advising him on the rules. He knew what he was spending in transfer fees and wages and he was the person that decided to sell the club to a company that part of his financial portfolio. He may have done these things for the best of intentions, but the current situation is entirely down to him. With the financial embargo still in place and the club currently for sale, plus an aging expensive squad on the books, it could be the right time to take the punishment of a point deduction if we are found guilty of breaking the EFL rules. 

 

What is your opinion ?

Edited November 18, 2019 by Mick De Lyons

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

I didn't realise the club was currently for sale?

 

Either way, with the timescales the EFL tend to work to, we just need to make sure we're already a Premier League club by the time they decide what they want to do.

[room0035]

3 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said:

It's not certain that we will be found guilty over the selling of the club, but if we are, it's more likely to amount to a deduction of points than a fine. The one salient point about this situation, is that realistically the club can go nowhere whilst it's in this permanent cycle with regards to this financial embargo. If the points deduction happens, then it ends our promotion or play off hopes, but I don't think it will end in relegation, unless is a huge amount of points. So it's going to be likely a mid table finish.

 

In my opinion, this fine or a points deduction needs to happen. It's the only way to get the club out of this mess and will allow the club to operate in the transfer market properly again. Along with this, two other things need to happen. Chansiri needs to sell the club as soon as is possible and the squad needs a complete overhaul. The big earners need to go and the squad needs breaking up. Some players have been here too long and need moving on. I would personally sell or not offer contracts to Westwood, Palmer, Fox, Hutchinson, Pelupessy, Lee, Reach, Forestieri, Nuhiu, Winnall and Rhodes.

 

I do think that one person is to blame for this predicament and that is the Chansiri. He was the person in charge of the finances. He knew the rules or someone was advising him on the rules. He knew what he was spending in transfer fees and wages and he was the person that decided to sell the club to a company that part of his financial portfolio. He may have done these things for the best of intentions, but the current situation is entirely down to him. With the financial embargo still in place and the club currently for sale, plus an aging expensive squad on the books, it could be the right time to take the punishment of a point deduction if we are found guilty of breaking the EFL rules. 

 

What is your opinion ?

Good plan the only issue I can see with you getting rid of all of those players is relegation this season or next due to not being able to compete in the division.

[Mick De Lyons]

3 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

I didn't realise the club was currently for sale?

 

Either way, with the timescales the EFL tend to work to, we just need to make sure we're already a Premier League club by the time they decide what they want to do.

Chansiri mentioned the club was for sale at one of those fan forums Sometime last season.

[SiJ]

Just now, Mick De Lyons said:

Chansiri mentioned the club was for sale at one of those fan forums Sometime last season.

Yeah, but that was him throwing his toys out the pram. 

 

I don't think for one moment that the club is actually for sale. 

[Mick De Lyons]

5 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Good plan the only issue I can see with you getting rid of all of those players is relegation this season or next due to not being able to compete in the division.

I certainly think that those players need moving at some stage. I think a few are out of contract anyway. Fletcher that I didn't mention, Westwood, Hutchinson and Fox I believed. But it wants breaking up, as it's been the same crowd doing the " nearly " act for about four seasons.

 

 

 

[Mick De Lyons]

4 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Yeah, but that was him throwing his toys out the pram. 

 

I don't think for one moment that the club is actually for sale. 

I Think if he can get the right price he would sell. Besides, Chansiri knows his time at the club is done anyway, so I think he would sell at a lower value to get rid of it. 

[Dizzys Dad]

9 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said:

It's not certain that we will be found guilty over the selling of the club, but if we are, it's more likely to amount to a deduction of points than a fine. The one salient point about this situation, is that realistically the club can go nowhere whilst it's in this permanent cycle with regards to this financial embargo. If the points deduction happens, then it ends our promotion or play off hopes, but I don't think it will end in relegation, unless is a huge amount of points. So it's going to be likely a mid table finish.

 

In my opinion, this fine or a points deduction needs to happen. It's the only way to get the club out of this mess and will allow the club to operate in the transfer market properly again. Along with this, two other things need to happen. Chansiri needs to sell the club as soon as is possible and the squad needs a complete overhaul. The big earners need to go and the squad needs breaking up. Some players have been here too long and need moving on. I would personally sell or not offer contracts to Westwood, Palmer, Fox, Hutchinson, Pelupessy, Lee, Reach, Forestieri, Nuhiu, Winnall and Rhodes.

 

I do think that one person is to blame for this predicament and that is the Chansiri. He was the person in charge of the finances. He knew the rules or someone was advising him on the rules. He knew what he was spending in transfer fees and wages and he was the person that decided to sell the club to a company that part of his financial portfolio. He may have done these things for the best of intentions, but the current situation is entirely down to him. With the financial embargo still in place and the club currently for sale, plus an aging expensive squad on the books, it could be the right time to take the punishment of a point deduction if we are found guilty of breaking the EFL rules. 

 

What is your opinion ?

Not much thought gone into that. You make it sound so simple and (with hindsight) blame DC for everything. If only that were the case. 

I wonder what you would have done (with hindsight), if you’d been unfortunate enough to be in his position. It’s easy to criticise others.

 

[Mick De Lyons]

1 minute ago, Dizzys Dad said:

Not much thought gone into that. You make it sound so simple and (with hindsight) blame DC for everything. If only that were the case. 

I wonder what you would have done (with hindsight), if you’d been unfortunate enough to be in his position. It’s easy to criticise others.

 

I think it's the reverse !! Not much thought has been put into your reply. It's a simple truth that the man who is at fault for the club being in this position is Chansiri. He owns the club and is responsible for the finances. You do criticize when someone has ran the club in an irresponsible way. End of.

[keepitsteel89]

The club is not for sale. Was some off the cuff remark along the lines of 'if the fans want me gone I will put the club up for sale' DCs in this for the long run as long as the fans arnt screaming for blood I hope he stays personally

[Mr. Tom]

23 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

I didn't realise the club was currently for sale?

 

Either way, with the timescales the EFL tend to work to, we just need to make sure we're already a Premier League club by the time they decide what they want to do.

Would literally be the most Wednesday thing ever to go up this season then have 18pts deducted in close season and get moved back down a division. Leeds, who finished 4th, promoted instead.

 

[Mick De Lyons]

1 minute ago, keepitsteel89 said:

The club is not for sale. Was some off the cuff remark along the lines of 'if the fans want me gone I will put the club up for sale' DCs in this for the long run as long as the fans arnt screaming for blood I hope he stays personally

It's semantics, but he knows his time is over at the club. I'm sure his plan was to try and get the club into the premiership in his first two seasons and then sell it. It nearly happened, but now it's gone sour and it's just a drain on him. He will sell if he gets a decent price.

[room0035]

15 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said:

I Think if he can get the right price he would sell. Besides, Chansiri knows his time at the club is done anyway, so I think he would sell at a lower value to get rid of it. 

DC valuation of the club is about £170m which is what he thinks he has put in + a profit for his time. No one is going to pay that while we are a championship team.

 

Realistically he might get £50m for us if we can finish top 10 which won't happen with a points deduction.

 

So either he needs to drop his price or get in people who know how to run a football club.

[keepitsteel89]

2 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said:

It's semantics, but he knows his time is over at the club. I'm sure his plan was to try and get the club into the premiership in his first two seasons and then sell it. It nearly happened, but now it's gone sour and it's just a drain on him. He will sell if he gets a decent price.

It really wasn't/isn't that sort of investment, I guess we'll see though!

[matthefish2002]

13 minutes ago, Dizzys Dad said:

Not much thought gone into that. You make it sound so simple and (with hindsight) blame DC for everything. If only that were the case. 

I wonder what you would have done (with hindsight), if you’d been unfortunate enough to be in his position. It’s easy to criticise others.

 

 

Think the bucks stops with Chansiri.
Hand on heart if someone gave me £100m to spend on Wednesday 5 years ago I reckon I would have done a better job. 
If I had made a complete balls up of it though I would expect to some criticism and by the same token if I made a success of it and SWFC were a Premier League club I would expect to get the plaudits. 

[Mick De Lyons]

9 minutes ago, room0035 said:

DC valuation of the club is about £170m which is what he thinks he has put in + a profit for his time. No one is going to pay that while we are a championship team.

 

Realistically he might get £50m for us if we can finish top 10 which won't happen with a points deduction.

 

So either he needs to drop his price or get in people who know how to run a football club.

That's what he say's, in reality he would take a price at a lower value to get rid of the club. He bought it to move his finances around and perhaps sell it for a profit if we got to the premiership.

[keepitsteel89]

Yeah but no one has given DC money to spend on Wednesday have they It's been his own or his family's whatever,

 

this whole business is a shambles but the guys got some spirit in him even if we get a 25 point deduction by January hell be insisting we can make the top two

Edited November 18, 2019 by keepitsteel89

[bobowl]

Chansiri's first season was bloody awsum. I'm hoping he goes for it again. Couple of years of pain is worth it. If we had gone up he would be a god. He knows what he's doing now, next time we will properly go for it like Wolves did.

[Mick De Lyons]

12 minutes ago, keepitsteel89 said:

It really wasn't/isn't that sort of investment, I guess we'll see though!

It's simple really. He bought the club to move his money around has global business people do. Not because be likes football or the club. He thought he might get in the premiership within two seasons and then he would sell and make a profit. That didn't happen after the play off defeat and now he's got the club into this current situation. He will say within the next two years.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

42 minutes ago, Mick De Lyons said:

It's not certain that we will be found guilty over the selling of the club, but if we are, it's more likely to amount to a deduction of points than a fine. The one salient point about this situation, is that realistically the club can go nowhere whilst it's in this permanent cycle with regards to this financial embargo. If the points deduction happens, then it ends our promotion or play off hopes, but I don't think it will end in relegation, unless is a huge amount of points. So it's going to be likely a mid table finish.

 

In my opinion, this fine or a points deduction needs to happen. It's the only way to get the club out of this mess and will allow the club to operate in the transfer market properly again. Along with this, two other things need to happen. Chansiri needs to sell the club as soon as is possible and the squad needs a complete overhaul. The big earners need to go and the squad needs breaking up. Some players have been here too long and need moving on. I would personally sell or not offer contracts to Westwood, Palmer, Fox, Hutchinson, Pelupessy, Lee, Reach, Forestieri, Nuhiu, Winnall and Rhodes.

 

I do think that one person is to blame for this predicament and that is the Chansiri. He was the person in charge of the finances. He knew the rules or someone was advising him on the rules. He knew what he was spending in transfer fees and wages and he was the person that decided to sell the club to a company that part of his financial portfolio. He may have done these things for the best of intentions, but the current situation is entirely down to him. With the financial embargo still in place and the club currently for sale, plus an aging expensive squad on the books, it could be the right time to take the punishment of a point deduction if we are found guilty of breaking the EFL rules. 

 

What is your opinion ?

Realistically he isn't going to sell the club unless he wants to write off probably £60-80m as we'd only fetch £30-40m. If he chose to do that, who would buy us... can't think of anybody with local links with that kind of money bearing in mind the new owner would probably have to fund £10m+ yearly losses even if we tighten our belt. So it would be another foreign guy and who's to say they'd be any better.

 

I kind of think that sometimes its the better the devil you know. Chansiri gambled on promotion in the first couple of years and it didn't happen. Over the last 18 months or so he hasn't got much wrong either in the transfer market or with appointing managers so maybe he's learnt. I know there's the stadium sale issue, but that's not through choice it's trying to cover mistakes he'd already made back in 2017.

 

We need to be careful about what we wish for as we aren't going to get promoted without a wealthy benefactor. We've no parachute payments and we don't have young players to sell for big money which is something the pigs, Norwich, Bristol or Brentford have done and that allows you to reinvest in the squad. We won't compete only signing frees and paying out the wages we'd be able to afford so we'd be back to being a lower half championship team with the odd trip to league one in there.