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1 hour ago, 83owl said:

Which one was so amazing then?

 

The first save from a header near the penalty spot, nowhere near the corner would be disappointed if any of our keepers let that in. 

 

Close range smother? Did what any keeper does in that situation which is make himself as big as possible and pressure the ball. Any keeper would do exactly the same it’s down to the attacker, if he shoots at the keeper it’s a good save, if he puts it to the side the keepers got no chance.

 

The save from the shot in the second half was pretty routine, similar to their keepers save in fact.

 

The header from about 8 yards? Straight at him, decent height to tip it over. Much easier save than if the attacker had headed it down. Good reactions but I would expect Dawson to save that  and I would certainly expect someone labelled as the “best keeper in the championship” to save it.

 

 


are you going just off the 3 shots he saved on the sky highlights or did you actually watch the game? 1 of the 3 sky showed the tip over the bar wasn’t routine. And the other three the Sky didnt show certainly weren’t routine either. A goalkeeper and people with football know

edge would also argue the stop from close range the second you probably saw on the highlights wasn’t standard either. 
 

but anyway carry on slating him mr Blunkett 

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I will say this again, certain posters having a dig at Westwood for his positioning on the first goal, one of the three the smae posters continually berate every week....... Any ex keeper knows he wasn’t out of position.  And I also notice only o e other person other than me have actually pointed out who was actually to blame for that goal. Iorfa!!!!

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19 hours ago, OzOwl said:

Those words should have been motivation for any team with a spine of which we have proved we don’t have.

You were right Tony, you see us for what we are thank you for pointing it out.

Go out and replace these players Mr Monk it is the only way forward!

 

Players who have had their time and should now go:

 

Westwood, Reach,Lees, Forestieri, Rhodes (don't get me started on that one), Winnall.

 

Get some new blood in.

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11 hours ago, 2roland2 said:


are you going just off the 3 shots he saved on the sky highlights or did you actually watch the game? 1 of the 3 sky showed the tip over the bar wasn’t routine. And the other three the Sky didnt show certainly weren’t routine either. A goalkeeper and people with football know

edge would also argue the stop from close range the second you probably saw on the highlights wasn’t standard either. 
 

but anyway carry on slating him mr Blunkett 

Having never played in goals I can’t say I’m an expert on positioning. It doesn’t take an expert however to point out that this isn’t the right one.

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On 03/11/2019 at 00:29, shezzas left peg said:

As much as I have a soft spot for some players, sometimes you have to be realistic if you want to move forwards then you have to to throw sentimentality out of the window. 

We've a couple of do or die players that would fit itnto a top two side on attitude and mentality. The rest aren't say up to it, too happy to coast along and see what happens rather than take a game by the scruff and say right we're winning this come what may. 

 

I agree, westwood hutch lees bannan wasn't good enough four years ago to do it

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On 03/11/2019 at 00:29, shezzas left peg said:

As much as I have a soft spot for some players, sometimes you have to be realistic if you want to move forwards then you have to to throw sentimentality out of the window. 

We've a couple of do or die players that would fit itnto a top two side on attitude and mentality. The rest aren't say up to it, too happy to coast along and see what happens rather than take a game by the scruff and say right we're winning this come what may. 

 

Indeed .. many have called it for years now .. even the likes of Bannan aren't protected by the cull .. we've needed a big shake up for years now, the old guard is getting older and its the same old mentality thats been instilled for number of years now ...

 

 

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14 hours ago, 83owl said:

Having never played in goals I can’t say I’m an expert on positioning. It doesn’t take an expert however to point out that this isn’t the right one.

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so you didn’t go then I take it or watch the match? His positioning is based on where the ball came from and as I said before he shouldn’t be scrambling back because iorfa shouldn’t be getting beat so easily for the Blackburn player to be able to get a free header. 
im a huge iorfa fan but he was to blame not Westwood but once again I see you haven’t mentioned his fizz up once......

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On 04/11/2019 at 07:07, Mus said:

 

Players who have had their time and should now go:

 

Westwood, Reach,Lees, Forestieri, Rhodes (don't get me started on that one), Winnall.

 

Get some new blood in.

Westwood pulled off a world class save to get us a point versus Leeds and generally plays to a high level of consistency 

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On 3 November 2019 at 01:03, RoyCroppersHair said:

But they should...cos we’re bang average, yet we should be beating teams like Blackburn, cos they’re bang average, this league is horrendous, everyone is poo

 

Is it still possible to be average, or do we have to be bang average now?

 

Bang average causes me more stress than I need at the moment.

 

 

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13 hours ago, AndersonOWL said:

I agree, westwood hutch lees bannan wasn't good enough four years ago to do it

 

Westwood, Hutch, Bannan and Lees formed the backbone of a team that got us into the top 6 twice. It was and has been the players around them that haven't been good enough. We had Hunt/Palmer at right-back and Pudil at left-back in those seasons, they have been replaced by inferior players. Loovens was not properly replaced, hopefully Borner can continue his form along with Iorfa in this respect. 

Most promotion challenging teams have a clinical goal scorer, Fletcher is excellent at what he does but won't get 20 a season. When we lost the play-off final, the consensus was that a towering CB, a combative & dynamic midfielder and a goalscorer were what was really needed, we instead wasted so much money and got none of these while key players in other positions aged and moved on.

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Central Midfield and up front is where it’s needed the most.

 

need goals from centre mid and different options up front cos every striker we have is a target man with no pace.

 

 

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9 hours ago, 2roland2 said:


so you didn’t go then I take it or watch the match? His positioning is based on where the ball came from and as I said before he shouldn’t be scrambling back because iorfa shouldn’t be getting beat so easily for the Blackburn player to be able to get a free header. 
im a huge iorfa fan but he was to blame not Westwood but once again I see you haven’t mentioned his fizz up once......

No I didn’t go, I’m away with work but I wasn’t at the 1970 World Cup either and I can judge from a video that Gordon banks save was a good one.

 

Iorfa got beat in the air, yes but if you expect our CBs to win every single header during a game then you’re going to be disappointed. Especially late on when they start pushing theirs up as well. 

 

Fact is is where the header took place is not a clear goalscoring opportunity from a header, especially from a straight ball floated in from the halfway line. Watch Westwood from the moment the balls kicked, he’s not scrambling back at all, he wanders out to the edge of the 6 yard box and then just stays there.  Had Dawson done that people would be going mad saying he doesn’t command his area but because it’s Westwood it’s ok.

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7 minutes ago, 83owl said:

No I didn’t go, I’m away with work but I wasn’t at the 1970 World Cup either and I can judge from a video that Gordon banks save was a good one.

 

Iorfa got beat in the air, yes but if you expect our CBs to win every single header during a game then you’re going to be disappointed. Especially late on when they start pushing theirs up as well. 

 

Fact is is where the header took place is not a clear goalscoring opportunity from a header, especially from a straight ball floated in from the halfway line. Watch Westwood from the moment the balls kicked, he’s not scrambling back at all, he wanders out to the edge of the 6 yard box and then just stays there.  Had Dawson done that people would be going mad saying he doesn’t command his area but because it’s Westwood it’s ok.


so you didn’t go, didn’t see the game, your slating our keeper for making standard saves from watching highlights, half of which didn’t show the saves he made to keep us in the game, slating a keeper for positioning even though you admit you don’t know anything about goalkeeping yet defending iorfa for not winning a ball which was bread and butter for a defender his hight, even though he allowed the Blackburn player to get position on him to get the header ( iorfa positioning was t the best. ) your now also claiming it’s ok for defenders not to d9 their job and not win every header too yet one mistake ( which it wasn’t!!!!! From Westwood and you go nat poo crazy????)   If you knew the slightest bit about not just defending but especially goalkeeping you wouldn’t be babbling on like you are....

 

just amazing. I’m goi g to leave you now because your just talking guff without even seeing what Westwood did in that game. 

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First of all I’m not going Nat poo crazy. Just pointing out westwood is at fault for another goal just like he was at millwall and against Fulham. Seems strange that he made loads of other top class saves to keep us in the game but they aren’t shown on a 10 minute clip of a game most people seem to agree was devoid of action or attacking intent from both teams.

 

You say Iorfa should be winning that ball because of his height yet the Blackburn defender is actually taller than him. And apparently every defender should win every header? If that’s the case then why do we bother playing fletcher upfront to play long balls to, its certainly not because of his scoring record. And if every defender should win every header then why didn’t we create 10 headed chances from the 10 corners we had in the first half? 

 

Just look at the picture, he’s stood inline with the near post and 5 yards out, even blunkett can see it’s not the right position and the fact that he got lobbed proves it. He started in the 6 yard line to give himself less ground to make up should he decide to come and clear the ball, however once he decided not to he just got caught ball watching. Just because it’s your hero Westwood you don’t have to cry about it.

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On 03/11/2019 at 10:05, Animis said:

 

I expect many of the old guard players whose contracts are up in June fully expect that this is their last season whether we are in the PL or more likely, in the Championship next season.

 

I therefore, would expect them to give everything until May to a) make themselves attractive to a new club, particularly if we end up in the play offs, and b) get what is presumably a decent promotion bonus.

 

The last 7 mins of the game yesterday is all to predictable for these players over the last 4/5 years. We need them to take responsibility on the pitch and press the opposition until the final whistle - seems to me we gradually retreat to the edge of our box allowing fairly average teams to dominate possession where we at our most vulnerable and, which is risky - Cardiff and now Blackburn are clear examples of this.

ageing side tiring near end of games?

we have a squad, but how many in that squad cannot be relied upon to give an 'effective' performance at this level?

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On 04/11/2019 at 07:11, 83owl said:

Having never played in goals I can’t say I’m an expert on positioning. It doesn’t take an expert however to point out that this isn’t the right one.

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I've not seen the goals from the w/e, in fact this still shot is the first I've seen of anything.

before i'd read any of the postings, and as soon as I looked at it, I figured the keeper was a yard and a half too far forward.

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5 hours ago, 83owl said:

First of all I’m not going Nat poo crazy. Just pointing out westwood is at fault for another goal just like he was at millwall and against Fulham. Seems strange that he made loads of other top class saves to keep us in the game but they aren’t shown on a 10 minute clip of a game most people seem to agree was devoid of action or attacking intent from both teams.

 

You say Iorfa should be winning that ball because of his height yet the Blackburn defender is actually taller than him. And apparently every defender should win every header? If that’s the case then why do we bother playing fletcher upfront to play long balls to, its certainly not because of his scoring record. And if every defender should win every header then why didn’t we create 10 headed chances from the 10 corners we had in the first half? 

 

Just look at the picture, he’s stood inline with the near post and 5 yards out, even blunkett can see it’s not the right position and the fact that he got lobbed proves it. He started in the 6 yard line to give himself less ground to make up should he decide to come and clear the ball, however once he decided not to he just got caught ball watching. Just because it’s your hero Westwood you don’t have to cry about it.


your basing you entire knowledge on a games highlight reel of 3 mins or less. 
 

sorry but you can’t take anything you say serious...... Especially when you don’t think iorfa was at fault..... i mentioned nothing about his height at all, his positioning and ball watching allowed the Blackburn player to get the jump on him 

 

let’s leave it at that, I can’t discuss a players performance with someone who watched the highlight reel of 3 mins, that would be madness

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44 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:


your basing you entire knowledge on a games highlight reel of 3 mins or less. 
 

sorry but you can’t take anything you say serious...... Especially when you don’t think iorfa was at fault..... i mentioned nothing about his height at all, his positioning and ball watching allowed the Blackburn player to get the jump on him 

 

let’s leave it at that, I can’t discuss a players performance with someone who watched the highlight reel of 3 mins, that would be madness

 

This is cut from an earlier reply 

 

“you admit you don’t know anything about goalkeeping yet defending iorfa for not winning a ball which was bread and butter for a defender his hight”

 

I know you spelt it wrong but I presume you mean how tall he is.

 

And the highlights are 10 minutes.

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59 minutes ago, dorian gray said:

I've not seen the goals from the w/e, in fact this still shot is the first I've seen of anything.

before i'd read any of the postings, and as soon as I looked at it, I figured the keeper was a yard and a half too far forward.

Pretty sure you can guess correctly where the ball went.

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17 minutes ago, 83owl said:

 

This is cut from an earlier reply 

 

“you admit you don’t know anything about goalkeeping yet defending iorfa for not winning a ball which was bread and butter for a defender his hight”

 

I know you spelt it wrong but I presume you mean how tall he is.

 

And the highlights are 10 minutes.


I have already told you it was t anything to do with his height, it was a long lofted ball i to the box which he had plenty of time to position himself to not let a player get a jump on him. 
but yet you are pulling Westwood apart for that.....

 

lol 10 mins wow I apologise you certainly have the remit to judge the performance then. 

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