Mr Farrell Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: I said from the moment we signed Jones and Boyd they're legs had gone, past it as players at the level we were looking at being /achieving. That both had been deemed not good enough at lower Premier league level by their clubs, so we're shipped out. We signed both on long term contracts for some reason and even if we'd have achieved promotion we'd have been looking for upgrades and being lumbered with them as they wouldn't have been good enough. Spoke to a few Burnley fans, and they couldn't believe we spunked so much wages/signing on fees on essentially league 1 career finishers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 11:27, wilyfox said: Perfect word to describe. Our squad has had it's day. 2yrs top end, 2yrs decline through age, injury, and loss of form. DC must allow Bruce to trade players. it maybe 'perfect' for some, 'past their sell by date' for the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmason69 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 We have a squad thats paid more than the majority of premier league teams. It's insane the wages we pay the absolute dross like Fletcher. Sunderland didn't want him he wasn't in theit squad and yet we more than doubled the wages of a proven flop The list of inexplicably insane deals is endless. You could see on Tuesday that half the team simply weren't trying. Look at fox. First boyd came on to cover for him as Wallace, a hopeless player, was taking fox apart. Then reach had to track back for fox. He's on Premier league wages and not trying. Sadly when players don't try there isn't much you can do apart from drop them. You can't make player's try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just like that last "lady" I picked up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Mrmason69 said: We have a squad thats paid more than the majority of premier league teams. It's insane the wages we pay the absolute dross like Fletcher. Sunderland didn't want him he wasn't in theit squad and yet we more than doubled the wages of a proven flop The list of inexplicably insane deals is endless. You could see on Tuesday that half the team simply weren't trying. Look at fox. First boyd came on to cover for him as Wallace, a hopeless player, was taking fox apart. Then reach had to track back for fox. He's on Premier league wages and not trying. Sadly when players don't try there isn't much you can do apart from drop them. You can't make player's try. You do post absolute tripe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) They aren’t under performing , they are just dross . It’s also not their fault they were signed by idiotic managers , useless ceo’s And the most clueless football chairman in the history of the sport Edited February 15, 2019 by james o connor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 all lot can leave for me you never achieve anything in this league with a losers mentality. alot of our players are losers not winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, james o connor said: They aren’t under performing , they are just dross . It’s also not their fault they were signed by idiotic managers , useless ceo’s And the most clueless football chairman in the history of the sport Well they were performing in the immediate period before they signed. Abdi for example, had been an outstanding player for Watford in their promotion season and played 30 games in the EPL the season before signing. Did they become overnight dross because they signed for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said: Well they were performing in the immediate period before they signed. Abdi for example, had been an outstanding player for Watford in their promotion season and played 30 games in the EPL the season before signing. Did they become overnight dross because they signed for us? Abdi is a crock I’m his 30s . He was clearly famished that’s why Watford got rid and why Wednesday got a premier league regular . Boyd and jones , decent in their day but past it when the arrived here. Hooper, always been injury prone . Fletcher , always been average , certainly not worth the wage we gave out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 11:39, RichSheffWeds said: There are plenty of examples of under performing relative to their history and current salaries. Abdi - played most games for Watford in promotion season and in Premier League Jones - consistent performer at various Championship clubs previously Boyd - as per Jones but at Burnley, had been a regular, consistent player Forestieri - not been on his A game for 2 years Fletcher - produced the goods at a higher/equivalent level Off the top of my head there's five examples of players that have come with reputations or performed well previously and have given us next to nothing in last 2 years. I'd say that's under performing on any reasonable measure given costs, expectations and experience. Add Bannan and Tom Lees to this list. They were exceptional when we signed them but have slowly gone backwards in the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 hours ago, james o connor said: Abdi is a crock I’m his 30s . He was clearly famished that’s why Watford got rid and why Wednesday got a premier league regular . Boyd and jones , decent in their day but past it when the arrived here. Hooper, always been injury prone . Fletcher , always been average , certainly not worth the wage we gave out Agree with all of this apart from Abdi. When we signed him this was a cracking signing. Weather Watford were aware of his injury or not he started for us and because of Carlos not playing him right (on the left at first then not played at all) his confidence was bound to dip. But then the injuries came and he never came back. It was a case of we'll sign him coz we can not because we need too. At the time he was probably an upgrade on what we had got but the upgrade never took the place of say Bannan or Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Add Bannan and Tom Lees to this list. They were exceptional when we signed them but have slowly gone backwards in the last 2 years. Let me know when your next comedy gig is. Good to know out of a squad of 40 this is the best we can do eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said: Let me know when your next comedy gig is. Good to know out of a squad of 40 this is the best we can do eh? So Bannan and Lees along with the others mentioned above are as good as they were ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: So Bannan and Lees along with the others mentioned above are as good as they were ?! The vast majority of players signed in the last 3-5 years have vastly underperformed on their previous form and ability. There are the odd exceptions (Bannan and Lees) but as a whole the playing squad have let the club down, big time IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 hours ago, RichSheffWeds said: Well they were performing in the immediate period before they signed. Abdi for example, had been an outstanding player for Watford in their promotion season and played 30 games in the EPL the season before signing. Did they become overnight dross because they signed for us? In a word Yes. Don't they all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said: The vast majority of players signed in the last 3-5 years have vastly underperformed on their previous form and ability. There are the odd exceptions (Bannan and Lees) but as a whole the playing squad have let the club down, big time IMO. Whilst I agree some of them, Fox for example are just not good enough (despite his recent improvement) so they aren't under performing there just not playing at the level we require (not there fault). In some cases.... Bannan Lees Forestieri Abdi etc they HAVE the ability. It may not be all there fault but they are not playing at the ability we have seen and know there capable of. In Forestieri's case injury may have contributed but in Bannan and Lees they have just deteriorated IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 11:39, RichSheffWeds said: There are plenty of examples of under performing relative to their history and current salaries. Abdi - played most games for Watford in promotion season and in Premier League Jones - consistent performer at various Championship clubs previously Boyd - as per Jones but at Burnley, had been a regular, consistent player Forestieri - not been on his A game for 2 years Fletcher - produced the goods at a higher/equivalent level Off the top of my head there's five examples of players that have come with reputations or performed well previously and have given us next to nothing in last 2 years. I'd say that's under performing on any reasonable measure given costs, expectations and experience. I think half the problem is we buy players who are good in one system and then try to play them in another. No point in getting Abdi in who is good in a midfield 3 and then wanting him to play in a midfield 2. Hopefully Bruce will decide on a system and then bring in players who can fill slots in that system. That's what we were supposed to be doing when DC first took over but we just started collecting players because we could. Think of the number of players we've bought/loaned who barely got on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: Agree with all of this apart from Abdi. When we signed him this was a cracking signing. Weather Watford were aware of his injury or not he started for us and because of Carlos not playing him right (on the left at first then not played at all) his confidence was bound to dip. But then the injuries came and he never came back. It was a case of we'll sign him coz we can not because we need too. At the time he was probably an upgrade on what we had got but the upgrade never took the place of say Bannan or Lee. The thing about the Abdi & Jones signings in the summer of 2016 was we didn't need them. We did however, want a combative central midfielder to compliment Bannan and Lee. Hutch wasn't in the midfield equation as CC said Hutch would be pushed into the defence at the time. CC totally mis-managed the 2016 transfer funds and we are still suffering today and will for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Animis said: The thing about the Abdi & Jones signings in the summer of 2016 was we didn't need them. We did however, want a combative central midfielder to compliment Bannan and Lee. Hutch wasn't in the midfield equation as CC said Hutch would be pushed into the defence at the time. CC totally mis-managed the 2016 transfer funds and we are still suffering today and will for some time. Totally agree ! If these two were deemed to be better than Lee Bannan then we should have sold them, but they weren't and didn't. Total mismanagement that we are still paying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Can’t wait for the summer, get rid of as many as possible and hopefully freshen the squad up. Hopefully Bruce will be able to use his contacts in the game to benefit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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