Hughthecone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Agree with his comments about fitness and injuries, but if we have an inquest in what shape or form will it take ,ie a panel?or a board meeting or a type of vote. Any suggestions. Edited April 5, 2018 by Hughthecone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, blakey1959 said: no inquest or debate required , i am sure he could have found more pertinent points to raise in light of recent performances and results ...yet another supporter living in the past... move on FFs He raised many many different points - this was just one point out of many Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 No inquiry necessary. Just train properly (guided by sports science) and be reyt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 It’s called a lessons learned exercise, and it’s good business practice for many, many, well-run businesses following an unexpected event. Jon Newsome is right in expecting mistakes to be acknowledged, and corrected formally, in order to ensure they are not repeated. I hate this sweep it under the carpet approach used by some companies. I’ve experienced it myself recently with a company who messed up an order I placed with them. It took 9 emails plus phone calls, over a period of two months, to sort out. When I eventually got my goods, it was though everything was now fine. No explanation of what went wrong, no apology, diddly squat. Now had three unsuccessful attempts to get the Head of Customer Services to contact me to discuss further. Must be hiding behind a cupboard. In these circumstances, you take responsibility for mistakes having been made, apologise, and explain how things have been changed for the better. I love Jon’s articles. He says things as they are, and from a fans’ perspective. No trotting out of club-influenced rhetoric to keep the punters quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hughthecone said: Agree with his comments about fitness and injuries, but if we have an inquest in what shape or form will it take ,ie a panel?or a board meeting or a type of vote. I doubt any of those TBH. An "inquest" is really just over the top nonsense IMHO. The club is no doubt cracking on and putting right what they clearly know was wrong. They're also dong it without sensationalising the matter, as that would be a waste of energy. New broom and all that ... Newsome is a "journalist", it is an opinion piece that doesn't really say much other than call for an inquest into something where issues have already been identified by the club months ago now. What Newsome should be writing about is our great results from the Easter weekend and perhaps, if he's going to publish his opinions, start to generate articles for the local press that are forward looking and share his views on what direction the club could take rather than regurgitate old hat. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He raised many many different points - this was just one point out of many He didn't raise many points. IMHO. He's made passing comment without offering anything substantial or even suggestive as to how he'd go about putting place an "inquest". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, F. Spiksley said: He didn't raise many points. IMHO. He's made passing comment without offering anything substantial or even suggestive as to how he'd go about putting place an "inquest". Eh? We've had a massive glut of ridiculous injuries Jon Newsome's saying let's look at it and make sure it doesn't happen again Literally that simple It's like there being mass shootings in America and someone saying "we should have an inquest into these activities to try and make sure it's not repeated" You'd not expect to hear them then to go on to detail every part of any inquest - they're just making the general point Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughthecone Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, F. Spiksley said: I doubt any of those TBH. An "inquest" is really just over the top nonsense IMHO. The club is no doubt cracking on and putting right what they clearly know was wrong. They're also dong it without sensationalising the matter, as that would be a waste of energy. New broom and all that ... Newsome is a "journalist", it is an opinion piece that doesn't really say much other than call for an inquest into something where issues have already been identified by the club months ago now. What Newsome should be writing about is our great results from the Easter weekend and perhaps, if he's going to publish his opinions, start to generate articles for the local press that are forward looking and share his views on what direction the club could take rather than regurgitate old hat. IMHO Agree with what you say but was trying to find out IF there was to be an inquest what shape or form would it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Those saying move on. Forget about it, it doesn’t matter. Well if you ignore mistakes you’ve made in the past and don’t learn from them you’ll just end up repeating them. I feel Jos has and will continue to turn round the mess Carlos left. Knowing what went wrong, why it went wrong, admitting there was a problem and looking how to improve is the most sensible way to get more out the squad and prevent it happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Eh? We've had a massive glut of ridiculous injuries Jon Newsome's saying let's look at it and make sure it doesn't happen again Literally that simple It's like there being mass shootings in America and someone saying "we should have an inquest into these activities to try and make sure it's not repeated" You'd not expect to hear them then to go on to detail every part of any inquest - they're just making the general point I think everyone said this a few weeks back. The club are already dealing with the issue and have likely identified the errors and put in place the measures necessary to avoid a repeat. As in Owlsman's post, they've done the lessons learned exercises. Jos has already implemented a different approach toward injury management and a few players have publicly stated that improvements in this aspect of the coaching have improved since CC's departure. Edited April 5, 2018 by F. Spiksley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hughthecone said: Agree with what you say but was trying to find out IF there was to be an inquest what shape or form would it be. It's already underway though. Jos has been here three months. I doubt he's spent his time sat on his hands when not on the training pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 how do we know there's not already been an " inquest" into how carlos prepared the players and they have kept it in house where it belongs . ?......i'm sure jos would have spoken to the various persons involved before he arrived and i'd like to think he's put in place a plan to remedy the situation ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 To be fair to Newsome though it would make the boring close season a bit more interesting. An inquest and court room drama. Pre-Acid attack Harvey Dent 100% record prosecuting on behalf of SWFC. Perry Mason defending Carlos. Over seen by Judge Rinder. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Hes wanting to know why we have suffered the worst injury crisis ive ever known at hillsborough and it keeps happening with hutch and fox now out. Maybe its a good thing and positive that he raises these points so we can get to the bottom of it and address it so it never happends again. Personally id love to know why our season was over so soon yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Jon Newsome is spot on and it seems to have upset a few on here who don't like the truth. Carvalhals lack of preparation has seen a poor season and the possibility that some players may have career threatening injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Let's not get into slating the person who made the point and stick to discussing the subject instead Oh please.These 'expert commentators' only get slated when they belatedly write columns about stuff we've all been discussing on here for months. Biggs and Newsome both trotted out this kind of stuff this week instead of being positive about the team's return to winning ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, Blatter said: Oh please.These 'expert commentators' only get slated when they belatedly write columns about stuff we've all been discussing on here for months. No they don't The author of every single article gets slated immediately Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: Jon Newsome is spot on and it seems to have upset a few on here who don't like the truth. Carvalhals lack of preparation has seen a poor season and the possibility that some players may have career threatening injuries. bang on Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, TaxiMark said: Hes wanting to know why we have suffered the worst injury crisis ive ever known at hillsborough and it keeps happening with hutch and fox now out. Maybe its a good thing and positive that he raises these points so we can get to the bottom of it and address it so it never happends again. Personally id love to know why our season was over so soon yeah! Agreed Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Hughthecone said: Agree with his comments about fitness and injuries, but if we have an inquest in what shape or form will it take ,ie a panel?or a board meeting or a type of vote. Any suggestions. I have a suggestion .. In life and football there's a saying "The buck stops with the manager" Carlos Carvallal was the manager of SWFC during the period J Newsome Is commenting on So the buck was with him entirely .. Only inquest that can be had is access to players medical records and any employees left from CC's tenure that will dob him and his troops in? Other than that wipe slate clean roll up sleeves n start again Which looks like Jos has already done And considering the absolute "shatau Neuf du pap" he was left I think he's the manager of the year tbh.. Edited April 5, 2018 by OWLERTON GHOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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